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After only 3 weeks or so my Lima shovelnose catfish has died :( no signs of illness or stress and was eating fine. Swimming around as normal last night and this morning. Iv test the water with liquid test kit...

Ammonia 0
Nitrites 0
Nitrates 20

I don't understand. I'm using sand substrate so he couldn't of chocked on anything. The tank is a Rio 400 with 2 tetratec ex1200's. He was coming up to 4 inches long and only other tank mate is a 5-6 inch Ornate bichir. He is still fine. I was having an 8 foot tank from ND Aquatics for them in August. I don't know whether to get it now or just give up completely :(
 
Sorry for your loss. I hate to lose a beloved pet.


Bugdozer, lol at your sig!
 
So sorry! I think it's so much worse when you can't understand why... :/
 
Yeah it is. I was doing everything I could for him and I thought I was doing everything correctly. If I knew the reason to why he died then it wouldn't be as bad.
 
Awww mate i'm sorry!! How gutting!! Don't give up, no doubt there was nothing you could do if he still died despite the best set up he could be in!

I think cichlids and catfish are terrible when new for having really heavy worm burdens! It may well be that it already had a high worm count do to the stress of being imported (lower immune system = worse problem etc) and the shop obviously didnt treat him/treat him well enough with the right medication and foods.

I say dont give up! Get another! I went to MA @ HareHatch the other day and nearly left in tears, they had 3 or 4 little sorubim limias. Absolutely gorgeous!! Forgot how much i loved them!!

I would say.. buy some Kusuri Discus Wormer (flubendazole) and choose the fattest and healthiest looking sorubim you can find and then worm him. I can't believe its been so long but thinking back, its been 2.5 to 3 years since I had mine and my one was in with discus and got wormed regularly with Kusuri wormer.

I honestly swear by the stuff! In my mind, its the only product worth using for internal parasites. Lots of the ESHA and Waterlife products claim to do the same thing but they just dont.

ebay link to wormer, good price too.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KUSURI-WORMER-PLUS-500-Gallon-2300Litre-PACK-DISCUS-ALL-TROPICAL-FISH-/350548238819?pt=UK_Pet_Supplies_Fish&hash=item519e4da1e3

Dont give up mate, its really sad but if it was going to happen... better it happened now and you can pick yourself up and try again than had you owned him for years and he died for no obvious reason. No one gets anywhere by giving up and if you dont try again, you'll always wonder... you'll miss the joys of watching a sorubim growing up!

And you dont want that!

Keep your chin up, its not all bad, you know more now than you did before! :good:
 
Thanks for that mate, brought a smile to my face. Iv never been able to find any for sale around any of the stores around by me. The one I had was mail ordered from Trimar in Cornwall. It is a good 3 hours or so from me I can't go in the actual shop for a look.

It is very good to know all the info now thanks to you :)

I have a maidenhead aquatics around 15 mins from me, i could as them if they could maybe order me one in? If I wasn't going to give up then I would definitely consider getting another one as I do really like them :) it just gets you down when things like this happens. Iv never had a dish die of an unknown cause. It is very frustrating though.

I'm just going to pick myself up, have a look around and then get another if I can. Hopefully it will live a better, far longer life
 
:unsure: Certainly worth a try asking your local MA! I don't know wales so dont know whereabouts you are LOL but our Swansea and Cardiff branches are meant to be amongst the best. Its all about who you know, take your time looking about and get chatting, find out who orders the fish and be very nice :lol: works for me. Any customer who is nice to me will find im a sucker LOL. A nice customer is such a rarity! Let alone one who is actually interested in the hobby :rolleyes:

I know how devastating it is to lose fish like that though :( I lost 11 adult discus and 5 medium sized discus (including two adult Penang Erruptions, two adult Red Melons, two adult blue turqs, an adult red turq, two adult pigeon bloods, a white butterfly and a blue cobalt). Over three different tanks, all housed with other species like clown loach, sting rays, angelfish and my sorubim. Its obviously my fault it somehow spread from tank to tank (i was so careful, never worked out what happened... quite likely my ex used the wrong nets tbh) and it never effected any species other than discus.

Was a bizarre internal infection, possibly fungal i think we worked out, either way.. you could watch the disease progress... it killed within 12 hours... first a small white thumbprint sized grey patch on either side of them just behind and below their pectoral fins, then within 2-4 hours that grey patch went to white and then started becoming a sunken dip in their body. Within 4-6 hours it was an obvious wound. Within 6-8 hours it looked like a hole shot through them and by this point, most discus died or i had to euthanise them.

Was awful, in the time it took me to see the problem (typically it started in the evening about 9pm!) and i treated right away with a JBL treatment (forget the name of it but its not on te shelves any more). By morning i'd lost half my discus and i took day off work and called round vets and tried 90% water changes and dosing with pimafix but by the end of that day all my discus were dead and my other fish were all thoroughly hacked off! Took ages to settle down the stressed fish afterwards.

EDIT: it wasn't so much the financial aspect or the loss of time and effort... (just thought i'd clarify!) but more... each fish had its own name and personality and story of how i came to own them. They had all bonded in funny pairs and groups and all had learnt to hand feed... i adored these fish, especially 'little melly' my Red Melon whom i had from a tiny scrap and would come sit in my hand if i cupped my hand in the tank!

Its gutting... I adore discus... but I honestly dont know if i could ever face keeping them again after that devastation. One discus belonged to my ex and had done for 6 years or so and others were ones id saved up for or were christmas and birthday presents. One pair we drove 300 miles to get :sad:

Never did find out what it was! I think I may have posted about it at the time but god... i very nearly quit my job working with fish and never kept them again! It was devastating to lose my stingrays and arrowanas later on (long story... makes me mad) and then after buying two more stingrays... to lose them before even getting them home. I dont have much luck! People joke about me being a fish murderer :unsure:

Anyhoo... that was a random story... it just put me in mind of it, thinking about how you lost your limia. I lost my limia in the stress after such a big waterchange and panic trying to get all the discus the heck out of that tank (also had my stingrays in there!). Mental note, Sorubims do NOT react well to stressful situations!

I might possibly have been a sorrubim limia in my past life!
 
Wow I don't know what I'd do if I lost all those fish. Especially something like discus. They are not the cheapest of fish shall we say. I'm not surprised your in 2 minds about keeping them again after that

Iv been to the maidenheads in Cardiff and the one just outside Cardiff in wenvoe. My closest one is in pughs garden centre in Taffs Well. Again, just outside Cardiff. All are pretty good.

Funny you mentioned Lima's not doing well with large water changes.... I did a large water change yesterday. Maybe he died of stress after that :( feel bad now
 
Probably not mate! I did a 90% water change and the day before... did a 40% change and id been netting discus out and then trying to net out two very big (27 and 32cm) clown loaches that kept bashing him and i'm trying to remember a sequene of events from when i was pretty hysterically upset lol.
 
Ah, i don't think I'm ever going to know the real reason he died. I can only assume. I'm just going to have to take it as experience and move on. I'm glad of the fact I got to own him even if it was only for a short while. My search for another starts tommorrow :)
 
Wow I don't know what I'd do if I lost all those fish. Especially something like discus. They are not the cheapest of fish shall we say. I'm not surprised your in 2 minds about keeping them again after that

Iv been to the maidenheads in Cardiff and the one just outside Cardiff in wenvoe. My closest one is in pughs garden centre in Taffs Well. Again, just outside Cardiff. All are pretty good.

Funny you mentioned Lima's not doing well with large water changes.... I did a large water change yesterday. Maybe he died of stress after that :( feel bad now
I also lost swordtail fry after a large water change I did the day before. It just sent them into odd behaviors such as refusing to eat or breathing fast. The quality of the water was good, as both ammo and nitrite were 0, but the fry still acted strange. In the end they got eaten, either due to being almost dead or already dead, but I didn't get to see them die, just being lethargic.
 

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