24G Nano Cube DX Nano Reef Setup

Hmmm...it is a shame that you have to trade looks for strength.. :(
keep me posted on all your findings I may go and make my own tank setup but I won't clutter your fine thread with my idea's

:)
 
Grey Legion said:
Hmmm...it is a shame that you have to trade looks for strength.. :(
Hey now - you're not calling my regular tank unattractive are you?! Them there's fightin' words :flex: :flex: :flex:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
No No No not at all :-(

it is just that the nano cube line is designed to be seamless that is the "beatuy" of it
like I stated I plan on using a regular tank to...I want mine on the second level of my home and cannot afford a leak or crack..

please, can't we all get along :blink:
 
I was just joking - see all my guys rolling on the floor laughing? ;)
 
Filtration

The Nano Cube basically has the same ability to peform the same three types of filtration that our FW tanks do...mechanical, biological and chemical. You can see from above what comes with the cube. However, there are opinions about all of this stuff from the reefers. Here goes:

Mechanical

This is provided by sponges, however, they can turn out to be nitrate traps if meticulous cleaning in aquarium water is not done on a routine basis. Some swap out the sponges. Many Nano-ers ditch the sponges or keep just one in the first chamber. I think SOME mechanical is important so, I will go this route....one sponge. Just remember to stay on top of it.

Chemical

Activated carbon is supplied with the cube. Many people switch over to other media including Chemi-Pure and/or Purigen. I'll probably use the supplied carbon and switch to Chemi-Pure after cycling.

Biologic

Ahh...the big difference now between our FW tanks and SW. The predominant source of biologic filtration is live rock. The rock isn't alive, of course, but it's so many interstices fill up with the bacteria so familiar to us in the FW biz with our sponges and gravel. Denitrification occurs here as well as in the substrate. In addition, the live rock is home to many animals that help keep the tank clean. Some people keep in the bioballs and sponges....one of my lfs's does this in all their SW tanks. However, you must really keep on top of keeping them clean with aquarium water. Many feel they become nitrate traps and SW animals are MUCH more sensitive to nitrates than our FW ones are. Ceramic beads and the bioballs will NOT be in my system. It's a choice that is up to you.

N.B. This might be a good area to discuss another mod. In order to provide maximum biologic filtration, some people will fill the back middle chamber with 'live rock rubble'. Live rubble is pieces of broken up live rock. The middle chamber doesn't get much light, unless, you are planning on making this area a refugium. The rubble acts as increased surface area for biologic filtration. Without light, it will not grow corals here. Above the rock is where people will put their macroalgae (cheato, caulerpa, etc) if this is to become a lighted refugium. You still have to clean up back here to remove detritus or the rubble area can get nitrates as well. However, a simple siphoning probably keeps things pretty clean. Maintenance will be later.

Water Movement

I've added this here because water circulation is extremely important in this SW tank. It keeps water flowing by the live rock and also by your corals (if and when you get them). Recommendations are 10 X the water volume of your tank per hour. Hence, the Maxijet 1200 pumps about 290 GPH. You can add more flow..as mentioned above, you can take the stock pump and place it in the first chamber and 'wedge' it behind the intake grate with the outflow nozzle pointing out at the left side. You want to avoid any pump that will overcome your fish or disturb the substrate. "LR and LS" are next.
 
Hey Grey...feel free to post here. Believe me....all threads are like this....and you learn by others thought processes. If someone finds this thread helpful in their setup, they can print it or just even jot notes down like I did. And..the cube isn't THAT fragile. SH
 
Live Rock (or where did THAT come from)

Live rock (LR) is the main filtration system for your cube. It is the remains or pieces of coral reef that broke off the reef (we hope, there is a lot of scrupulous collecting out there) that contain the beneficial bacteria for your tank. It also provides shelter, attachment for corals, organisms and contains coralline algae and small critters. You can read tons on LR, which I'll leave for you to do. Live rock is added to your cube when ready for startup and your SW is mixed and ready. After cycling, you may see corals arise, critters (copepods, amphipods) and also pests (later talk).

Cured vs. Uncured

Sounds like a ham, right? Uncured rock is LR that comes right out of the water and has sat for awhile. Some of the organisms die off and when put in a tank, a large ammonia spike can occur. Cured rock is that which comes from your lfs and has already gone thru this dieoff process. Cured LR can have miinimal dieoff if it is rapidly shipped or shipped in waterf. Uncured rock should never be put in a cycled tank with livestock/corals. The ammonia spike will kill them. Truly cured rock could. So, which should you buy? Your call. Uncured rock may take longer to cycle, have an odor, require more work and have more die off, but, it also may arrive with more coralline algae, beneficial life (and pests). Cured rock cycles quicker, but, may lose some of the good stuff. If you are like me, with an empty new tank, you may want to go with uncured, which is what I ordered.

What do I do when it arrives?

Depends on what you are getting. Talk to the dealer before buying it. Many recommend scrubbing the rock with a toothbrush. My dealer did not recommend it. I think it's safe to say that rinsing it in SW and picking off grossly dead material and sponges (if they are there) are wise.

How do I cure my LR?

Easy...you do it in your tank when you're ready to go. Never add uncured rock to an already established tank. If you chose to do it separately, you will need:
1) SW
2) a large bucket or one of those Tupperware like storage containers that you can buy at WalMart or Target
3) heater
4) Powerhead
Here is one of many links to give you a guide:
http://www.liveaquaria.com/general/general...ral_pagesid=293

Sources

1) Your lfs: The easiest source is your lfs. Check out prices; look for good color; ask how long they've had it for. I was unhappy at 4 of my local shops.

2) Internet: I did a lot of research on this. Three of the most popular internet sources for LR were:

a) http://www.premiumaquatics.com
B) http://www.liveaquaria.com
c) http://www.liverock.com
d) http://www.tampabaysaltwater.com/

I decided to go with (a). You'll see how my choice worked out when it arrives

3) Make your own: some people do this and although I never reseached it, apparently it is made with concrete and particles that later dissolve to make porosity. One website that has a DIY manual is http://www.thelebos.com. This might be an option for those people who are on a strict budget.

How much?

In general, the estimate is 1.5 lbs of LR per gallon of water in your tank. This is just an estimate. For my 24, I ordered 20lbs since the rock is light. If the rock is dense, you may need more. If it is very pourous, yoiu may need less. Ask the dealer.

Types of LR

Just a few examples of the most popular types:

1) Marshall Islands
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2) Fiji
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3) Kaelini
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4) Tonga branch rock
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5) Atlantic base rock..generally a very dense rock and used to as a base rock to save on the cost or add support to the live rock.
6) Aquacultured LR.....farmed LR.....see Tampa Bay link above

Live Sand and Substrate

There are many types of substrate to use in your tank. Unlike a FW tank but similar to a cichlid tank, the pH of a SW tank needs to be higher, around 8.2. Calcium carbonate, the component of seashells, provides that buffering capacity. The average recommendation is 1 lb of substrate/ gallon of water. Depth should be 1- 4 inches deep. Some types of fish need a deep bed (eg, jawfish). However, the deeper it is there may be dead areas which can have a negative effect on the tank or POSITVE (see below). Choices for substrate include:

1)Live Sand: this is sand that contains beneficial bacteria. There is some controversy here. Many say that your sand will seed anyway. Others say that it will 'jump start' your tank. The best live sand is that which you can get from someone elses tanks that contains live organims such as copepods, etc. Some people sell this on Ebay. The other source is store bought.

2) AragAlive: this is a store bought aragonite sand that has beneficial bacteria. It comes in a 20lb bag. Many feel it is the best substrate in the 2-5mm size. Perfect blend of buffering capacity (that crushed coral lacks), porous biolgical capacity, and compatibility with sand loving organisms.
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3) Florida crushed coral: Crushed coral has been pretty much avoided in recent years, being a poor biological medium and not very friendly to sand loving organisms.
4) Other types including Fiji pink sand, black sand, Tahitian Moon,etc
5) No substrate: some people go 'barebottom'. Not my cup of tea. Many claim it makes it easier to vacuum detritus off the bottom which leads to less nitrates. Others state good water circulation keeps the bad stuff in suspension and it is removed with water changes.

DSB or Deep Sand Bed

A deep sand bed is one that is built up to a layer of 4 inches. This creates dead areas where anaerobic breakdown of nitrates occurs releasing nitrogen gas. It works very well in keeping nitrates reduced, however, most feel that in a nano system, the area is so small that it is not worth it. If not done well, the DSB couild also work as a trap. This is an area for you to read up on to make y our own decision on

Plenum

A plenum works on the the same principal as a deep sand base,however,people create this using electrical eggcrate and PVC tubing. It creates a dead layer of undisturbed sand and water where anaerobic metabolism breaks down nitrates into nitrogen gas which bubbles up and out of the tank.
 
Update
For anyone following this setup now or in the future, in summary, the startup is:
-stock 24G Nano Cube
-Ebo Jager 100 W heater
-Coralife digital temp probe with LCD backup

Mods

-removal of bioballs, ceramic beads and use of one sponge chamber one (might cut the sponge in half)
-swapped out stock motor to Maxijet 1200; possible stock motor in 1st chamber
-live rock rubble middle chamber
-submersible 10w light 2nd chamber for possible future refugium

Live Rock

20 lbs of premium uncured rock, nano package (Marshall Islands, Kaelini, Fiji) from premiumaquatics.com and 3-4 lbs of live rock rubble

Substrate

20lbs of AragAlive Aragonite live sand; about 5 lbs of actual live sand from a live tank

Seawater
Oceanic, mixed with RO/DI to s.g. 1.023.
 
Aquascaping (or can I showup my landscaper)

Just a few thoughts before the LR arrives. A few important rules about setting up the LR in your tank.

1) Be very careful not to drop the rock on the bottom glass. Examine each piece. Some may show orientation, i.e., coralline algae on one side, bland on the other. The coralline algae side was probably facing up to the sun and should be oriented up.
2) Keep the rock open so there is good flow between crevices. Caves, overhangs, etc can provide shelter for fish and are cool. Avoid the classic ROCK CLUMP. Be creative.
3) Make sure the rock is stable. Some people use aquarium safe silicone or epoxies to hold rocks together. Some drill holes and use plastic ties to hold it together (don't worry, coralline algae will cover it).
4) Leave room for additions in the future, eg, if you want to add a coral that is attached to a piece of rock, or, a 'frag', you may want to leave a spot or area open for later placement.
5) Leave room around the periphery for maintenance, ie, should you need to scrape algae off the glass

Some people add their sand first, then the rock. This may risk shifting of the rock if the sand shifts or if burrowing animals disturb the bed underneath it. Putting a plate or dish over the sand may prevent disturbing the bed.

The best way I think is to add the rock then add the sand. Since the cube will have seawater circulating at a high level, near the grate,( if you premixed it before in the tank), make sure you remove about 1/3rd the water so it doesn't overflow. You can gently put the sand in by cups. Every tank will have some sort of clouding that should settle. Refill with SW.

Some people have used the following:
a) electrical eggcrate--they claim it distributes the weight of the LR on the bottom of the tank. IMO, I think it creates dead areas by preventing movement and circulation.
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b ) PVC tubing, 1/2", shaped into small square frames--supposedly, by placing the LR around this frame, it reduces the amount necessary by creating a scaffold with a hollow interior. Personally, I think this is better on larger tanks and having more LR provides better filtration.
 
Well thanks !!

I'll tell you what I will be doing

30 gal FOWLR tank (looking into a breeder tank as it is only 12" tall)
coralife 36" 192 watts 50/50 bulb
Aquaclear 300 ( 300 GPH ) as I have read 10x tank capacity is a good flow rate
I was told that carbon would be ok in the filter...but I am still looking into what would be good I may turn it into a refuguim (sp?)

any advice would be great...

here is what I am lacking ???

what is best to put in the filter ??
do I have enough flow ??
do I have enough light for soft coral ??

here is my list of wet friends:

FISH

1 - True Percula
1 - Gobiodon Histrio

SOFTIES

1 - Colt Cora
1 - Blue Mushroom
1 - Common Polyps

REEF KEEPERS

15 - Blue Leg Hermits
5 - Red Scarlet Hermits
5 - Astrea Snails
5 - Margarita Snails
5 - Cerith Snails
5 - Turbo Snails
2 - 3 Cleaner Shrimp
1 - Brittle Star

if you see I have to much of one thing or not enough of a other please let me know...also I would 3 fish if possible so any idea's on the third ??

I will also have 20-25 lbs of fiji live rock
5 - pounds base rock...what to use ??

and have no idea of what type sand...any help

Thanks for letting me bud in on your fine post !!

:)
 
N.B.

Hi...important note about the RO/DI water filter and making pure water. Unless your house and tap water is different from mine, this takes !@#$#%^& forever. Plan ahead when ordering your LR and making seawater. My system made 5 gallons in about 10 hours. Slow as molasses. SH
 
Good point..I never knew that...man imagine trying to make 200 gallons that way !?!

so planning ahead seems to pay off....who knew :blink:

I will make my water ahead of time a R/O is the first thing I plan on getting..

thanks for the heads up
 
Hi..ebay has the best prices I think. The unit I bought (see picture on page 1) was from Ebay and cost about 70-80 dollars. If you add up all the water changes and price per gallon, I think it will pay off.

Live rock should arrive tomorrow. More pix to come. SH
 

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