20gallon Journal - Updated Daily - Indir

[indir-emir]

Hmmm then how do they breed? Okay ill tell her tomorrow. Do you know if 5 zebra danios (2 male 3 female) and 5 leopard danios (2 male 3 female) would be okay in the tank together, along with the other fish?

Regards,
Indir

 

[Miss Wiggle]

you put them in together, let them have their wicked way with each other then separate them ASAP basically!

in the wild the populations are not very concentrated, they live over a large area so the males don't run into each other all that often.

 

[indir-emir]

I thought that was what would happen. That is why i asked if i could put one of hers in my tank lol. Guess that wont be happening. Any ideas on the danio question?

Regards,
Indir

 

[Miss Wiggle]

sorry yes, rest of stocking is fine, the danio's are colour morphs of the same species so will school together.

 

[waterdrop]

Hi Indir,

When you state your water stats you're not saying how many hours it had been when the stats were taken from the time when the ammonia add was made. This is an essential bit of data for people judging the results. We would expect you're reporting stats that were 12 or 24 hours later, but just to be sure its good for us to ask. The stats are obviously looking better.

Your tank changes look good and your stocking plans are very reasonable. Danios, D.Gouramis and Bristles are all excellent starters (D.Gs are subject to a particular D.G. disease, but I feel this is one of those things where either yours have got it or they don't, so if you just prepare yourself to understand that, its worth the risk I feel as they are nice fish.) The neons are better left as an add 6 months after cycling is over, but are of course a great fish.

The beta is a whole different story. It (like the gouramis, actually, but more so) is subject to an individual personality on an individual fish basis. There are definite considerations depending on male/female and depending on other species in the tank (the gouramis may rule it out, right there, but I'm not an expert.) I'd recommend you absolutely not add a beta (SFF) until discussing it with OM47 and/or beta forum folks.. doing some study on it etc, like you've done with other new aspects of the hobby.. you've been pretty good at this! (also, I see MW has already commented, so that is another source of knowledge about betta behaviours.)

One more small thing about the danios. The leopards and zebras will probably just shoal together (to the extent they shoal, which is less than tetras or just different in nature) and in my opinion the more plain silver look of the leopards will just dilute the stronger effect of the zebras. But there's nothing wrong with mixing whatsoever and its an individual choice and may be more interesting up close when you look at them, so its your own choice.

~~waterdrop~~

 

[indir-emir]

Yeah i like the look of both which is why im thinking of geting 5 of each lol. Im sorry mate, their approximately 12 hours difference or 24. But form now on ill note it. Ill research the disease u are talking about for the gouramis, i like the look of them What is the disease called by the way? Thanks for hte comment on the new set up. I know have the fluval pulling from under the UGF plate so that i can turn the UGF off at night and i have the UGF running 2 air stones now, for extra oxygen during the day.

Yeah i was thinking that betta wouldnt do well but since ive got her addicted i figured id ask, as she is excited as i am for my fish

Hey would a bottom dwelling cat fish like the bristle nose be curious and wonder on into a carpet of java moss (i am thinking about making one for the tank) and if would, would it have any problems in there?

Regards,
Indir

 

[Miss Wiggle]

this link will give info on DG's and the disease that affects them http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=153493

i agree with WD, I would go for one or the other type of danio, fish generally look much more attractice in a large school of one sort rather than several smaller sachools. however that's totally personal preference it won't affect the fish at all so go with whatever you want to.

well you can set your missus up with her own 5 gallon tank and a betta easy enough, she just can't have two unless she wants two tanks!

once your tank has fully cycled and is stocked and running ok then buy her tank, run the filter in your tank for 2 weeks and that will cycle it for you, then add it to her tank, fill with water and get a betta that day

 

[indir-emir]

Ah cool. Thanks alot MW. What sort of filter would i acutaly need? I have some corner one that came with my purchase (not in the tank), it can be found in the tropical discussion area lol (can get a link to make it easier for you, at your request). Would this one be sufficient? No clue as to the model and what not lol.

Cant wait for the cycle to finish lol So pumped now thats it (nitrites) almost at 0.

Yeah she wants to breed fish lol. But likes the look of bettas and thats were the idea of two came in. I was sure she couldnt have too without them fighting but i thought i would ask just incase

As for my stock... Ill buy just 1 type of danio, probably the zebras as their colours are more strong. Probably about 6 to 10 of them. How many dwarf gouramis would i be able to get for my tank? Would 5 be to many(2 male, 3 female)? or would i be better of with 3 (1 male 2 female)?

Regards,
Indir

EDIT:
Ahh! After reading that topic, im not sure i want to get the gouramis lol. Dont want fish TB to take over my tank! Now im worried of getting them.... Now im gona have to find another colourful fish of similar size

 

[alannah]

i think that your tank is super snaz

 

[Miss Wiggle]

get the link please, i'm lazy!

only needs to be a small internal filter for a 5 gal.

i'd suggest your g/friend just starts out with a 5 gal for a single betta, if she wants to breed them once she's got her head around the basics of fish husbandry etc then it won't be hard to go out and buy another tank and a female etc

 

[indir-emir]

Yeah thats what i suggested. She is the post above you hehe

Here is the link my lazy friend
http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=272926


Im going to post my water stats in 30 mins, hope your still on to check them out MW

Are there any colourful fish around the same size of gouramis, that a peaceful, that i could take a look at? I am worried that gouramis will get sick and die or kill my entire tank

Regards,
Indir

 

[Miss Wiggle]

bah just pictures, can't view them from work so no clue if the filter is fine, sure someone will pop on and comment.

you could go for the honey dwarfs gourami's which are much more hardy although some people consider them less attractive, they're a bit more subtle but still nice IMO.

 

[indir-emir]

Hmm, ive looked at them and i dont think they would be a nice center fish. Im after a bright coloured center fish

Sorry bout that MW, i would give you a link to the model and what not but i have no clue. Basicaly its a box with black gravel looking stuff ( i beleive its carbon) and a cotton like material on top of that. Bout 50/50 of how much there is. Its built for a corner of a tank... Dont see how it would work though as no cables (as far as i can tell ) but i have post in the tropical discussion place so someone will hopefully help me out

Any other ideas for my colourful center fish? Ill reserach more on the gourami that you mentioned, but i think thats the one i didnt like

Regards,
Indir

 

[indir-emir]

Here is a water update, 12 hours after the previous one:
Ammonia = 0
Nitrite = 0 (*Salutes the fishless cycle gods!* YAY!!!! Wooooooo!!! So excited!!!!) Took a picture on my phone to ensure i wasnt imaging things, will upload if someone tells me too
Nitrate = 40

This does mean that I am cycled now right? Am continuing to feed the tank crushed flakes just to be sure

I think im going to buy 10 danios tomorrow and have them for a few days to see if it cycled for sure or not, as they are hardy they should survive in the small chance thats it not cycled properly right?

Any ideas on a colourful center fish to go with my zebra danios and bristlenose catfish?

Regards,
Indir

EDIT:
Was excited as hell and forgot to ask
I need to do a 90% water change now correct? Is there anything else i need to do before adding fish?

 

[Miss Wiggle]

You do sound like your cycled, but you should do a qualifying week, keep adding your flake food exactly as you have been for around a week (just until the weekend will do if that's more convenient) and if ammonia and nirite are both still 0 after 12 hrs then you are officially ready for some fish.