Bleheri, Assam And 3 Reed Fish Dead!

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right just got back from my lfs with a big bottle of myxazin and a bottle of pimafix, i dosed the hospital tankwith the channa in but am not sure what to do with the main tank they came out of? no fish in there look to have the disease but am i to treat it as with the channa with both the myxazin and the pimafix or just 1 or the other or something else?????
cheers
David

You treat with both the myxazin and pimafix together (perfectly safe and recommended for columnaris).

I wouldnt treat the tank, just those effected so far.
 
Bless Him. R.I.P.

Columnaris lives in the back ground of your tank. It only takes stess, bad water quality, unstable temp, over crowding, for a fish to break out in columnaris.


COLUMNARIS
The hospital tank should be heated to approx. 74 degrees. 76 and above is the ideal breeding temperature for columnaris. Though there is some dispute over lowering the temperature, my experience has been that 72 is too low for the medication to work rapidly, 76+ causes the disease to breed more rapidly than the anti-biotic can kill, and 74 is "just right." Remember to keep this temperature stable!
 
just an update, just went home to check on ma poorly fish! The assam does seem to be getting a bit worse, and started hanging at the surface, mabe too far gone to save? We will see. The bleheri, isnt looking too bad, the patch of disease hasn't reached the body yet, just a bit on the dorsal fin. Hopefully have caught him in time. I really dont wanna loose him he is a good 7 inch and beautiful!
Fingers crossed!
David
 
i think its game over for my little fishy friends, this just spreads too fast, the Assam just doesn't swim properly now. it looks like where it spreads to it paralyzes. this morning it was just at the surface with his head more or less out of the water. the patch is about a third of the way down his side starting from where his gill ends. and now on the bleheri its spread onto his body, not alot but you can see as soon as it reach's the body they deteriorate very quickly! im still treating as they might have a chance, its just not looking too good!
i'm gonna be worried now about ever putting anything in the big tank again! and am scared for the fish that are in there!

David
 
good luck with this dave, hope it goe's ok for you.....This next part is for the eye's of people like wilder to read and see what they think
<your not worthy dude so look away now> hehe this part was what i forwarded to you yesterday :good:

"aurantimaculata eroding disease:

This is something thats been seen in a couple of our members aurantis, i had to euthanise a male i had due to it. Even though this has been refared to as aurantimaculata erosion, this doesnt mean it cant happen to other species, however i havent heard of it happening to any as of yet. The cause of it so far is unknown, however its thought to be bacterial as it has simalar symptoms to Columnaris infections. It starts with the fins turning grey in small areas and then suddenly it starts eroding the fins quickly followed by the scales at the base of the skin lifting and starting to erode, through out this theres patches of exess mucous over the body varying in size. I managed to get it under control with methelene blue but this only lasted two weeks and then it came back worse than ever. There is a member on here with some quite graphic photos of just what this thing can do in a short space of time (cant remember whos has them though). This is a guide of how to gain controll of it when you first notice signs of it.
The first stage is isolate the fish with the signs, then begin treatment imediately. There are various things that can be attempted with this these are;
Acriflavine to either 5ml per each liter of water for 2 to 4 days, or 10ml per liter for 10 days (however this is a risky treatment!!). If you can get hold of it you can use Chloramphenicol mixed with Acriflavine at 4ml per liter Acriflavine and 40mg Chloramphenicol per liter for 12 hours(note with all treatments it is advised to add extra aeration as treatments can strip oxygen out of the water).
Methylene blue at 3ml per liter for 5 days, perform a 25% water change and leave two days(preferably adding carbon to a filter) and then repeating the dose for another 5 days.
If the erosion gets to the base of the fins it would be advised to get a wound sealant and use this to stop and secondary infections occuring and also stoping any more erosion, any of these items can be found at koi specialists, kusuri even do a kit with everything you need to dress and protect a wound on large fish, this would come in very handy to sort this kind of problem!
well i hope that no ever has to use this information, but if you do this will hopefully save your fish, remember even when you think its under control, closely monitor your fish for a couple of weeks after treatment has stoped as it can come back in an instant.
 
This all sounds like a nightmare.

I would be tempted (no matter how hard it is) to put an end to the suffering of the 2 remaining in the hospital tank if they havent shown any signs of improvement. Im so sorry.

Regarding the main tank - The bacteria will always be present - It's just up to you to ensure that you do some nice big water changes to knock down the number of bacteria floating around in the water. You could also put a low dose of the medication in the tank to knock bacteria etc down. (or I wonder if a UV unit could kill off the bugs in the water?)

Make sure you keep feeding good quality foods to keep the fish in tip-top condition. A fit and healthy fish shouldnt be able to catch these nasty bugs unless they get a scrape or bite. - and even then they should be able to make a quick recovery when fit and healthy.

Good luck. x
 
all my water stats were spot on, i know there is always bacteria in the water, the Assam is dead now, died about 10 mins ago, the last bleheri is nowhere near as bad as the Assam was so i am not at the point i would be able to justify putting an end to it. i started another thread in the hardware section as to which uv clarifier to go for as i have decided that is the road im going down. i have always done 30-40% water changes every Sunday since i started to stock the tank nearly a year ago. the Channa in the tank ate more than anything else! had a variety of foods and was in perfect condition. anyway the uv clarifier should improve water quality any lower the amount of bacteria in the water. i am going to do everything i possibly can to avoid this happening again, and as much as i want to replace the bleheri right now not a single fish is going anywere near the tank until i know for certain the water is nothing short of perfect!
 
just a few pics of the infected assam. Obviously now dead, just putting as many pics up as possible so we can learn more about the infection. I think that it should be investigated further as i thoroughly believe if all my snakeheads were in the same tank they would all be no more. I have had a number of different explainations but surely as this a serious disease there should be some sort of treatment for it!
 

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Thanks nelly. Does antibiotics help.

Dave I would go to the vets and see if they will perscribe as antibiotic.
Best to use antibiotics in isolation as they wipe the beneifical bacteria out in the filter.
 
what so i go to the vets and ask for anti-biotics for my fish?
the same vets i went to when my dog had an ear infection???? lol they deal with fish?
should i take it with me and slap it on the table and say do your best buddy!
i shall ring up first so they don't look at me as if i have a couple of screws loose!
cheers
David
 
Put the fish in the freezer in a bag.
Phone the vet and see what he has to say.
I think you need antibiotics as it sounds like a bad bacteria strain.
 

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