Will This Fishlist Make My Tank Overcrowded?

[Camad727]

The tank is a 300L Juwel Rio, I will be running it with the internal filter that came with it and a tetratec ex 700 external filter. I will probably be doing regular 15-20% water changes once a week.

Here is the list:

6 Angelfish
5-6 Boesemans Rainbow
1 Blue Acara
4 Clown Loaches
2 Boliv Rams
3 Kuhlii Loaches
1 male BN pleco
1 expensive pleco

would this be allright?

 

[Miss Wiggle]

I'm not sure that the acara is a sensible stocking choice, and the clown loaches may eventually outgrow the tank (but they grow incredibly slowly so you've got at least 5 years before you even need to think about it). I'd say without the acara you'd be fine.

 

[Camad727]

I'm not sure that the acara is a sensible stocking choice, and the clown loaches may eventually outgrow the tank (but they grow incredibly slowly so you've got at least 5 years before you even need to think about it). I'd say without the acara you'd be fine.

whats wrong with the acara?

 

[Camad727]

I'm not sure that the acara is a sensible stocking choice, and the clown loaches may eventually outgrow the tank (but they grow incredibly slowly so you've got at least 5 years before you even need to think about it). I'd say without the acara you'd be fine.

whats wrong with the acara?

 

[Miss Wiggle]

aggresive fish, best kept with other medium-large boisterous cichlids.

i think he'd probably pick on the angels, rainbows and rams.

 

[Camad727]

aggresive fish, best kept with other medium-large boisterous cichlids.

i think he'd probably pick on the angels, rainbows and rams.

Ohh I was told blue acaras r peacefull and can be kept in a community, r there n e other new world cichlids that could b kept in this sort of aquarium?

BTW, I will be getting all the other fish, settling them in for a few weeks then getting the cichlid

 

[rdd1952]

You could also have some potential problems with that many angels. I have 4 in my 75 gallon and they constantly pick on each other. They've never been injured though. They do get worse when they spawn and will chase and attack anything that comes near their spawning place, usually the filter intake. Six may be too many for that size tank once they get a little size on them. The only other thing I can see (beside the comments Miss Wiggle has already made) is that you have a lot (11) of bottom dwellers. If the rams spawn, they could become aggressive toward any of them that get near their territory. They probably won't be able to harm the clowns and plecos but may hurt or injure the kuhlies.

 

[Miss Wiggle]

You could also have some potential problems with that many angels. I have 4 in my 75 gallon and they constantly pick on each other. They've never been injured though. They do get worse when they spawn and will chase and attack anything that comes near their spawning place, usually the filter intake. Six may be too many for that size tank once they get a little size on them. The only other thing I can see (beside the comments Miss Wiggle has already made) is that you have a lot (11) of bottom dwellers. If the rams spawn, they could become aggressive toward any of them that get near their territory. They probably won't be able to harm the clowns and plecos but may hurt or injure the kuhlies.

yeah it's a bit hit or miss with groups of Angels IME. With agressive fish sometimes a larger group os better to dissipate the aggression, but put too many in and you can have problems.

that being said even 1 angel can cause problems, they're personalities vary from fairly peaceful to spiteful so you always have to exercise a certain amount of caution.

and yes, it's a little bottom heavy but providing there are enough caves and hidey holes created with decor then it should be OK.

 

[Camad727]

You could also have some potential problems with that many angels. I have 4 in my 75 gallon and they constantly pick on each other. They've never been injured though. They do get worse when they spawn and will chase and attack anything that comes near their spawning place, usually the filter intake. Six may be too many for that size tank once they get a little size on them. The only other thing I can see (beside the comments Miss Wiggle has already made) is that you have a lot (11) of bottom dwellers. If the rams spawn, they could become aggressive toward any of them that get near their territory. They probably won't be able to harm the clowns and plecos but may hurt or injure the kuhlies.

ok then, so how many angels would u suggest, I was told that to reduce aggression they are better kept in groups of 5 or more.. I am getting a 20L tank for my bedside to house 5 neons, 3 ghost shrimp, would the three kuhliis be better suited in that tank, it will have a deep sand substrate?

 

[rdd1952]

I'm not sure about the proper number of angels. My 4 have done well even though they do pick at each other and my tank is about the same size as yours, volume wise anyway. Six may indeed be a better number. It may depend on what sexes you end up with. There's really no way to sex them until they breed or at least get older. As it turns out, I definitely have a male and 2 females (have seen both of them spawn) and think the last one is also a female as it is about the same size as the other 2 females and they're all smaller than the male. I've got all of them the same time almost 3 years ago.

The kuhlies will probably be fine in the big tank. As Miss Wiggle stated, just have plenty of hiding places for them. I definitely don't think they would work in the small tank.

 

[Camad727]

I'm not sure about the proper number of angels. My 4 have done well even though they do pick at each other and my tank is about the same size as yours, volume wise anyway. Six may indeed be a better number. It may depend on what sexes you end up with. There's really no way to sex them until they breed or at least get older. As it turns out, I definitely have a male and 2 females (have seen both of them spawn) and think the last one is also a female as it is about the same size as the other 2 females and they're all smaller than the male. I've got all of them the same time almost 3 years ago.

The kuhlies will probably be fine in the big tank. As Miss Wiggle stated, just have plenty of hiding places for them. I definitely don't think they would work in the small tank.

Orite, well i will have plenty of bogwood and slate pieces in the tank with a sand substrate for them to burrow in. I think my boliv rams r deffinitely a male and female so i will have to watch out for that. I was advised on another forum that it is better to buy angels in groups of 5 or more because they are shoaling fish and this will reduce aggression. But I guess it is just your luck the sexes that you get.

Also, as I asked earlier, do you know of any other larger cichlid that I could have in my tank other than a blue acara? I have seen festivums but their colours dont even compare with blue acara's

 

[Miss Wiggle]

Also, as I asked earlier, do you know of any other larger cichlid that I could have in my tank other than a blue acara? I have seen festivums but their colours dont even compare with blue acara's

big chichlids are generally not community fish, while you do get the odd individual that's fine, for the most part they're not suited to community living and need to be in with other similar big boisterous fish.

personally i wouldn't advise any, and with the rest of the stocking list the tank will be pretty much full anyway

 

[Camad727]

Also, as I asked earlier, do you know of any other larger cichlid that I could have in my tank other than a blue acara? I have seen festivums but their colours dont even compare with blue acara's

big chichlids are generally not community fish, while you do get the odd individual that's fine, for the most part they're not suited to community living and need to be in with other similar big boisterous fish.

personally i wouldn't advise any, and with the rest of the stocking list the tank will be pretty much full anyway

allright, guess ill leave it then, i love the look of the blue acaras, thats dissapointing

 

[rdd1952]

Actually, angels aren't shoaling fish and can easily be kept as a single or pair. They aren't really aggressive IMO. They do pick at each other but never my other fish except when they spawn and then only the ones that come into the area. You can definitely try 6 and see what happens. You shouldn't have any problems while they're smaller but maybe later.

 

[Camad727]

Also, as I asked earlier, do you know of any other larger cichlid that I could have in my tank other than a blue acara? I have seen festivums but their colours dont even compare with blue acara's

big chichlids are generally not community fish, while you do get the odd individual that's fine, for the most part they're not suited to community living and need to be in with other similar big boisterous fish.

personally i wouldn't advise any, and with the rest of the stocking list the tank will be pretty much full anyway

allright, guess ill leave it then, i love the look of the blue acaras, thats dissapointing

Well i have read through a lot of sites and they say that the blue acara is a very peacefull cichlid, and a single specimen can be kept in a community with similiar sized fish. As long as I dont have a pair and they dont spawn then aggresion wont be that big a problem. I think i am going to go for it.