Why Is She..? Now Dead But I Tried.new Fish On Way Soon

[liz2]

my 2 girls are still alive..cream one is covered in spot again but in the same tank the blue one who is stressed keeps resting on top of the heater so she is half in and half out of water. I have moved heater away from side of tank so she could swim away. If I move her she just goes back and sits on top in and out of water. What is she doing?

 

[jollysue]

Healthy Betta like to rest on top of a plant or something at the surface. They get breaths of air there. But it is also very much a practice of ill Betta. Are you talking about ich? I have some Betta that hardly swim at all. They just lay on top of their plant at the surface and watch the world go by.

 

[liz2]

They both have ich I treated them the other day and nearly lost both of them...so I decided just to half change water and use salt...but still got ich....not eating either stupid shops round here dont have live bloodworms this time of year!! they are both so tiny...mentioned on another thread the lfs I got them from..have 2 left in tank both in worse state than my 2.

 

[jollysue]

What are you treating them with?

The meds may lower the oxygen levels. Add salt and an air stone To increase the levels of oxygen. I have gotten rid of ich with other fish, but I used a strong medication and lost some fish. The sooner it is treated with a good med the better the chances. Care must also be taken not to spread it.

Aquarisol is a good preventative/early treatment in the future. But it is a mild med that isn't very effective once the parasite gets a hold.

Sorry I missed the thread. The Betta threads turn over so quickly.

 

[liz2]

thanks going to put tiny bit of salt and an air stone in...supposed to be in shower ...going for a drive ..hubby new sat nav and new car ....going to try a water world place at Rugby

 

[jollysue]

Also raise the temperature to over 80 degress (over 82 degrees, I think.) It will slow the parasite down.

What med are you using? I've never had to treat Betta for ich. I don't actually know the best med for them in an advanced case.

GPS is great. Enjoy!

 

[happyannie]

Hey Liz--I read about the cycle of Ich and another member suggested vacuuming the bottom of the tank to break it



There'a a pinned article on Emergencies

http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=128879

some stuff on the web
http/www.fishlore.com/Articles/CuringIch.htm


http/www.thekrib.com/Diseases/ich.html
http/www.cowfishes.com/ich.html

One from the UK

http/www.fishdoc.co.uk/disease/whitespot.htm

Good luck!!

 

[liz2]

Thankyou for all the info. just been and looked at them they are a poor looking pair both are close to death. got no white spot now but hardly moving...dont think I can do anything else used salt waters warm got air stone..
talking to a chap yesterday in an aquatic centre who knew a lot about bettas he said probably something else wrong with them but he suggested all the stuff I have tried that you friends have told me he knew what he was talking about. Anyway he is having a dozen in tomorrow to sell on Friday and he said if I rang he would tell me what colours and save me one...so we shall see just going to feed all other pets and have a talk to my girls. thanks for your continuing help xxx

 

[liz2]

Came home for lunch and both my girls are dead. I put an extra dose of white spot stuff in and I think it finished them off. Anyway I did try! poor things.... OK but now I need to know how to disinfect the tank before I get another one please can someone advise me?

 

[juliehainsworth]

Sorry to hear about your two girls

I've heard that you can disinfect a tank with Salt water solution! Not sure how reliable it is though! Other people use bleach but make sure it is washed out throughly after using the bleach

 

[jollysue]

I'm sorry.
It's very frustrating.

I am most confident of the efficacy of a 10% clorine bleach solution. I'm not sure myself of the substrate, although bleach will cleanse it too. After, rinse everything well and dry in the sun. It will destroy all nitrifying bacteria, I'm afraid, so it will need recycling. As far as destroying the ich parasite, that is never, as it is present in all water but maybe IO or some such, even then... Ich parasite goes through several life cycles. Its like trying to rid your carpet of all the mites.

In reality the ich parasite requires a host fish to maintain it's cycle. So simply letting the tank dry out and not using it for a few weeks will throw the parasite into a dormant stage at the least. Since there was some suggestion that more might be afoot and behind the infestation, a thorough disinfectiong might be in order.

If you do run the substrate through a bleaching then perhaps a complete soak in declorinator would be convincing. Actually a complete rinse and dry out should eliminate the clorine.

I have to disinfect a 25 gallon tank of fin rot bacteria. I am assuming that I must disinfect everything including the bio wheel, decore, and the substrate.

Clorine oxydizes in the sun and air=it burns up. That's why it is considered a good disinfectant. It burns all the buggers up. Remember there is clorine in most water supplies, and we simply let the water sit for 24 hours to naturalize it or we treat it with declorinator.

 

[Joby]

Sorry to hear they didn't make it Liz

 

[liz2]

There is actually not a lot in the tank nothing on the floor just a plastic weed which was new but I am throwing that away so I will clean it well but I think the poor fish didnt have a chance. I might be brave enough to get one through the post...but I will have a little think!

 

[happyannie]

You sure did try though Liz and that's all you can do. At least they were able to be cared for and loved in their last days which is more than some of those poor souls get.

 

[jollysue]

I have found that I love my lfs Betta just as much--maybe more--as my expensive imports. If by the post, check with the breeders on the forum. They have some wonderful fish here and in England. Just post a thread of what you would like and see what is offered.

Have you looked over the ich links that happyannie gave you? A knowledge of ich is helpful, just like a knowledge of the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate cycle.