Why Is My Ph Dropping?

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Okay, I have a lot going on here. Since I started my 20 gallon high tank about 4 months ago my pH has always been 7.5. I use tap water and stresscoat as a declorinator. My tap water pH is 7.5. I do a 20% water change every week. I've recently completed my stocking of fish: 7 Serpae Tetra, 4 juli cory, 4 ottos. I am a little overstocked but everyone seems happy. My latest addition was 3 Serpae Tetra ~5 days ago. I've also been bitten by a bug to get some live plants so I added a wendtii green and a mondo grass plant to the aquarium ~3 days ago. I've changed to an 18 watt nutragrow lamp that is on 11 hours a day. I put a root tab in from jungle lab for each plant.

So my question is... why is my pH now 7.0?

Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 20
kH 3
gH 8

I am disappointed in my LFS for selling mondo grass as an aquatic plant :angry: . It is already looking bad.
 
your ph is dropping because you have low kh. i read somewhere that your kh should be at least 4.5 to prevent ph swings. so i'd find a way to raise the kh.

i have low kh too, so am testing how much crushed coral i should add to a nylon bag to put inside my power filter.
 
Do you have any driftwood in the tank? If you do that could be another reason why the pH is dropping. Sometimes driftwood just sucks out your pH. I still don't have a clue why but it does. I know someone who put driftwood in her saltwater tank and don't get me wrong she's a very educated person when it comes to fish, heck she even owns her own store, but anyway her pH went from around 8.5 to 6.5 in a few days and it wiped out almost all of her fish. Sad story, I know. But that's why you should watch for it if you put driftwood in your tank.
 
As said you have no buffer and Ph will drop over time. You can increase your Kh. With your fish a Ph of 7 is great, so dont worry too much about it.

If your concerned and want to increase your buffer check this out.
[URL="http://www.aquahobby.com/articles/e_adjusting_pH.php"]http://www.aquahobby.com/articles/e_adjusting_pH.php[/URL]
The property of water to resist changes in pH is known as buffering capacity. You can determine the capacity of your buffering system by measuring total hardness. A reading of 4-6 dH or higher is usually adequate to keep the buffering system in place and maintain a stable pH.

Its a good article and tells you most of what you want to know. As it says, a slow reduction is OK, its swings of .5 you need to worry about.
 
As said you have no buffer and Ph will drop over time. You can increase your Kh. With your fish a Ph of 7 is great, so dont worry too much about it.

If your concerned and want to increase your buffer check this out.
<a href="http://www.aquahobby.com/articles/e_adjusting_pH.php" target="_blank">http://www.aquahobby.com/articles/e_adjusting_pH.php</a>
The property of water to resist changes in pH is known as buffering capacity. You can determine the capacity of your buffering system by measuring total hardness. A reading of 4-6 dH or higher is usually adequate to keep the buffering system in place and maintain a stable pH.

Its a good article and tells you most of what you want to know. As it says, a slow reduction is OK, its swings of .5 you need to worry about.

That is a good article. Thanks. I am happy with a pH of 7.0 but I was concerned that it is dropping. I will check again tonight when I get home. If I use a powder to increasing my kH will it also increase or decrease my pH? I am perfectly happy with 7.5 or 7.0. I just want it to be stable.

I do not have drift wood in my tank (not real driftwood anyway).
 
Is it 7.0 every time or just the last test you took a reading? Was the KH 3 the last time you tested also? You tested both at the same time, right?

Unless the KH is 0, your pH should not be dropping quickly. A KH of 3 is low, and won't be stable for a long time, but a drop is not immediately in your future (and by future I mean 2-3 days).

Lots of things have changed, including the addition of live plants. Live plants give off CO2, which is acidic, so that can change the equilibrium.

If it is 7.0 every time you test (test every day for a week, probably test your KH everyday, too), then the pH is stable, just not at the same level it was before. A change of 7.5 to 7.0 isn't really a big change, just test everyday and see what is happening over time. You can't tell any kind of trend after just a few days and only 1 test.

p.s. it isn't that hard to make a mistake in testing, too. Adding the wrong number of drops or using the wrong volume of water or just reading the color wrong are all every easy mistakes to made -- everyone makes them once in a while -- this is why a test every day will be good to see if the trend continues or if this one test was just a random event.
 
Thank you for the info. Does that mean that pH will only crash when KH is 0?

I checked yesterday and my pH is still 7.0. Maybe it will be stable there. That would be GREAT. I thought 7.5 was a little high. I am due for a water change today. I will test the pH and KH before and after the water change.

I did check pH and KH at the same time. Previous to two days ago I never had a pH reading less than 7.5.
 
Whoops, screwed that up last night (must have been tired). Plants take up CO2, which is acidic (NOT give off). Nevertheless, the addition of live plants will change the equilibrium between the acids and bases and I am not surprised that the pH changed at least somewhat.

Again, however, the change in pH isn't really a large thing. If you look at the definition of pH, pH = - base 10 logarithm of concentration of H+ ions, the change from a pH of 7.5 to 7.0 is a change from 0.000 000 032 moles of H+ per liter to 0.000 000 100 moles of H+ per liter. Not a very large change at all -- we're talking very small quantities of acid here. Using the pH converts brings these small numbers into something that is easier to look at, but a lot of times it is lost just how small a change a pH from 7.5 to 7 is.

And on this note, I'd like to say something about your comment that "I thought 7.5 was a little high" -- your comment is a least a little misguided. Too many people have this notion that 7.0 is perfect water, and that anything but 7.0 isn't optimum. This couldn't be farther from the truth. Firstly, fish live in native waters that have a wide variety of pH: there are fish that live in very acidic streams in the Amazon and orient that have pH's below 4.0, and the African Rift lakes have regions with pH's about 10.0. If there is any "optimum", it would the pH of the fish's natural habitat. However, even given that fact, most fish are exceptionally adaptable and can live very long happy healthy lives outside of the pH of their natural habitat. The main goal is a non-fluctuating pH. If you think about it, fish live in pH environments that change a lot. During the day, as the sun comes up and warms the water and the aquatic plants change in activity, the pH of bodies of water can vary over 1 or even 2 pH units. Also, the runoff during fast rains almost always isn't the same pH as the body of water. Fish are adaptable, you don't have to control your pH to a specific value, like 7.0. So long as the water coming out of your tap is good, the fish will be happy. Only if you are going to try to keep some very rare species or wild-caught species or try to breed your fish, then you may have to start to worry about changing the water parameters. But, most fish keepers don't do any of those things, and end up doing more harm than good trying to find that "optimum".

So, finally, that comes to the issue of your KH. Again, like I said above, I'd test both the pH and the KH everyday to see what the trend is. Your pH will not crash until the KH reaches zero. The equilibrium between the acids in the water and the buffering is complicated, so as the KH gets lower, the pH will go down a little, but not enough to be detectable by home test kits. You'd need some lab-grade expensive equipment to measure the change (the change will only be in the thousandths digit, maybe the hundredths as the KH gets to 1 degree or less).

Finally, you might want to consider testing the pH of your tap water, too. Take a glass of it and let it sit out overnight. You want to let it sit out overnight because the water company will dissolve gases into their water, and you want to let all that diffuse away so that you are testing the water that is similar to the fishtank. I suggest testing the tap water because sometimes, at different times of the year, the water from the water company is different, too.
 

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