Why aren't anyeggs dropping?

[wwestar2000]

Ok I have 4 bettas. 2 male 2 female. I put my cellophane superdelta in a breeder net yesturday and woke up to a bubble nest. The female swam around on the outside with the other fish. Well i put her in the net. They have been embracing i think like a hundred times. Literally. But no eggs are comeing out the female. This pair has spawned before and everything went well until the male ate the eggs when i took the female out. So why do you think she isnt dropping eggs? Should i take her out and try sometime else? Its been like maybe more than an hour and they keep embracing but no eggs. Plz if anyone knows. Fill me in

 

[wwestar2000]

anyone?

 

[guppy_man]

try different pairs
but im not sure on breeding maybe the female doesnt trust him as a dad lol

 

[ManyFISH4Me]

I don't think you should be using a breeding net. They need more space. 5 to 10 gal min.

 

[Dorkhedeos]

just give them some more time. you should also give them more space, cause if you arent watching them when they are done, the female will be dead cause she has nowhere to go

 

[wwestar2000]

I actaully bought a really big breeding net cause i have livebearers and they have alot of fry. I had the male in my cichlid tank and he killed one of my angels! The angel was twice his size too. But he was so happy in the tank and looked extremely depressed in the 1 gallon so i put him in the breeder net and he loves it! He's making huge bubble nest and such. This pair is a good pair cause they don't attack eachother as much and the female is very brave not like my other female who will swim like crazy when she sees a male. This one goes up to him and rams him. I took her out cause she looked tired of so much embracing. Im gonna try again in 2 weeks. But the breeder net i have is great cause it has 2 plants that she hides in when she's tired. Other than that shes the one nudging the male to breed. So untill next week.

 

[wwestar2000]

I don't think you should be using a breeding net. They need more space. 5 to 10 gal min.

Well with this pair i have done it with no problem. My others i would need at least a 10 gallon. This pair is super mellow.
Dorkhedeos- I wont try to breed them if i couldn't site in front of the tank to supervise the spawning the whole time.

 

[Synirr]

...You bred them in a breeding net? I'm sorry, but are you even bothering to read anything you've been told here? Maybe the problem is that you just think all the experienced breeders on this forum don't know what they're talking about and that your methods are better?

You need a 5-10 gallon tank for two reasons. One is so the breeding pair have room to get away from one-another, but I'm going to overlook that since you claim it's not a problem with this pair.... the second reason is FOR THE FRY. They need room to grow you know. Do you expect to raise 100+ fry in a breeding net? On second thought, that must not be your plan, because if it really is a breeding net the fry (which are about as big as a comma on this page) are going to slip right out into the rest of the tank and be devoured.

Good to know you thought this through carefully.

 

[LifeBear]

What did you do to condition the female? She may not have any eggs to give.

You may get them to embrace in the net, but really, the whole process would go better in the long run if they had 10g

IF you want to go with a different approach, read this

http/www.bettysplendens.com/articles/page.asp?articleid=82

It details how bettas are bred in Thailand. They do use less room for the spawning, but certainly not a net in a community tank. They leave the bettas alone for the deed then remove mom when eggs are in the nest, dad when the fry are free swimming then eventually pour the little babies into tubs in the yard.

Come to think of it, I may give this a try, while the weather here is close to what they have in Bangkok...

 

[LifeBear]

And hey, about the second post...try waiting longer than half an hour before you get antsy, some of us only pop in once a day.

 

[wwestar2000]

synirr- Your taking this the wrong way. I prepared for breeding like 2 months ago for breeding. The only reason I am breeding this pair in the breeder net is to after the spawning remove both bettas and let the fry hatch. I will then disperse the fry into a filtured 20 gallon and a filtured ten gallon I have. The nets only a prevention of what the father did to the eggs last time.
Lifebear- I have feed my female 2 times a day since the 1st spawning. I feed her high quality flakes pellets and bloodworms 2 times a week. She is huge with all the eggs. I think the male just isn't embracing hard enough.
If anyone is against me breeding them in a net heres my response. Everyone comes up with ways to breed there pairs that suits them. This is my mellow pair. Very little nips in fins. This is the only way it will work for me. one because i am able to remove both parents and leave eggs still. And two because my pair is stimulated to breed with the filture in the backround. They will be conditioned for about 2 weeks until I try again.

 

[Synirr]

Oh, so your plan was to move extremely delicate betta fry that aren't even freeswimming yet into a completely different tank when most people don't even recommend chancing a water change within the first week. Gee, it makes perfect sense to me now. I can't see why I didn't realise the beauty of this plan before.

Also... maybe I'm missing something... but why couldn't you remove both parents and leave the eggs in a 10 gallon? That's how it is usually done you know, only you would want to remove the male earlier than usual if you're paranoid about him eating the eggs.

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Im no expert on betta breeding but doesn't the male need to look after the eggs/fry for quite some time before they need to be removed or somthing?

Breeding livebearers is nothing like breeding bettas, livebearer fry are already very developed when they are first born but still very sensitive to the tank enviroment, i think it would be near imposssible to even acclimatise newly hatched betta fry without killing them.
Where did you get your research info from westar?

Also did you say you had a male betta in a cichlid tank with angels twice the size of him ?!

You cannot say that making the bettas spawn in a breeder net is suited to them because you havn't even got them to reproduce properly yet.

 

[Synirr]

Im no expert on betta breeding but doesn't the male need to look after the eggs/fry for quite some time before they need to be removed or somthing?

Yep, you're supposed to keep the male in there at least until the fry are free-swimming, but apparently this male ate his eggs once. Generally you'd still try it the normal way a couple of times, but if you're paranoid you can remove the male sooner. The eggs are less likely to hatch that way, though, because the male cleans them and eats the infertile ones to help prevent fungus from growing on them.

 

[wwestar2000]

synirr- The plan was to keep the fry in the net until like 2 weeks or so and then put them into a filtured 20 gallon and some in my livebearer tank. I don't see any problem with keeping them in a half gallon breeder net for two weeks with filture and heated water. Why can't I breed them in a ten gallon? Because For some reason my cichlid tank is the only tank that they have spawned. Idk if its water conditions or what. And to respond on they probably wont live without the father. Last spawn there was a little clutch of like 3 eggs pressed against the glass. I guess the father didn't see those and they hatched. But once they hatched the father spoted them and ate them. I would rather have 3 fry than 0.
Tokis-Phoenix- Yes I did have my Male betta in with angels. I had no worry of the angels hurting the betta because the only time a angel is aggresive is when they are pairing or defending a spawn. The angels are still not old enough for either. I currently have my female in with the angels and no one fights. I think there more scared of her then she is of them. No stress lines. And yes I have had them to reproduct properly. They did once before.