White Spot - Velvet Or Wot ?

[30tooo]

I have been trying to clear up a complaint my catfish has . At first I thought it was white spot but then this looked more like velvet from the description of the disease .
I bought some silver mollies (5) and after a few days I was down to 3 . Then I lost a borneo sucker and now my catfish is suffering .
On closer inspection of the remaining mollies after the first 2 died , I decided that they had a touch of white spot . Also my female dwarf guarami also looked like she had a couple of spots .
I added some eSHa 2000 which is a general purpose bug killer . That seemed to clear up the spots on the mollies and guarami .
Then I noticed that my catfish had the spots . Again I treated with the eSHa 2000 and it seemed to die down a little . Then a light film started to cover him .
This time I got some eSHa EXIT which is an all spot and velvet stopper . I have now treated the tank for 3 days with this product now but I am still worried .
As you can see from the pictures he as lost part of one of his whiskers and his eyes look cloudy . His fins are beginning to shred and he will not stop swimming . He always hid before and we never saw him . Now he is constanley in the light and open . Also I do not know if he is eating either .
I recently bought a little live breeder box and have just been able to get him into it .
I just do not know where to go from here .
The water according to my LFS is in the middle of the limits for everything . The tank is 5 x 2 x 2 and there are a good few companions who appear to be ok (fingers crossed) .

12 neons
7 harlequins
5 black widow tetras
1 borneo sucker
3 silver mollies
4 swordtails
male and female dwarf guaramis
7 guppies

Any advice would be gratefully received thankyou .


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[WILDER]

Its bacterial can you describe the the spots if they were bigger than a grain of salt not whitespot.
Looks like columnaris to me as he has fluffy bits on him, and he's in a bad way.
Any fish gone thin or bent spines.

Youre going to have to act fast, mxyazin and pimafix.

 

[Anita]

I agree with Wilder definitely bacterial, I think I'd go with the mxyazin

Anita

 

[30tooo]

I agree with Wilder definitely bacterial, I think I'd go with the mxyazin

Anita

First of all thanks for the rapid responses .
The spots started quite small and then the velvety thing happened which as you can see is wearing off , but there is one patch that had gone more like a bit of cotton wool (about 2 or 3mm Diameter). This is now disapearing . Presumably I would be able to get this "mxyazin" from my LFS or is it more specialised ?
Sorry for the ignorance .

 

[WILDER]

Yes should be able to get that waterlfie myxazin anywhere, get the pimafix as well as it bad and you need it.
http/article.discusnews.com/cat-02/columnaries.shtml

 

[30tooo]

Just read the link about the columnaris and that is downright scary . Not only for my mate humbug , but all of his mates as well .
The treatment you suggest , should I treat him on his own or should I treat the whole tank ?
My friend across the road has got a small tank that he set up 2 weeks ago and I was wondering if this would be ok to use so that I can isolate him if need be . He hasn't got any fish yet .
The problem with the little breeder trap is that the water from the tank can still flow through it and whatever he may have will pass on to the other fish - if it hasn't already .

 

[WILDER]

I think I would treat the whole tank to be honest to be on the safe side, increase aeration as meds reduce 02 in the water.
Good luck.

 

[30tooo]

I think I would treat the whole tank to be honest to be on the safe side, increase aeration as meds reduce 02 in the water.
Good luck.

Righto .
I've been watching him while he has been in the breeder tank and he seems really quite troubled . He keeps going to the surface like he is trying to get out of the water for good .

I think I would treat the whole tank to be honest to be on the safe side, increase aeration as meds reduce 02 in the water.
Good luck.

Righto .
I've been watching him while he has been in the breeder tank and he seems really quite troubled . He keeps going to the surface like he is trying to get out of the water for good .

I think I would treat the whole tank to be honest to be on the safe side, increase aeration as meds reduce 02 in the water.
Good luck.

Righto .
I've been watching him while he has been in the breeder tank and he seems really quite troubled . He keeps going to the surface like he is trying to get out of the water for good .

I think I would treat the whole tank to be honest to be on the safe side, increase aeration as meds reduce 02 in the water.
Good luck.

Righto .
I've been watching him while he has been in the breeder tank and he seems really quite troubled . He keeps going to the surface like he is trying to get out of the water for good .

 

[WILDER]

Test your water, and increase aeration in the tank, have you removed the parasite med.

 

[30tooo]

I think I would treat the whole tank to be honest to be on the safe side, increase aeration as meds reduce 02 in the water.
Good luck.

Righto .
I've been watching him while he has been in the breeder tank and he seems really quite troubled . He keeps going to the surface like he is trying to get out of the water for good .

Test your water, and increase aeration in the tank, have you removed the parasite med.

Parasite med being short for medicine? If I assume rightly then the answer is I put some in this morning and the next is due to go in tomorrow morning . I have not got an air pump so I will lift the spray bar higher to give a bigger drop and aerate better .

 

[WILDER]

It's tough for fish on the bottom of the tank when the water stats are not good or there is a med in the tank, that's why you need to pump up the aeration in the tank.
Check your stats again now that you have used the med because they may have altered them from what they were previously.
I would recommend a water change as that may help the fish.

 

[30tooo]

OK then . It looks like tomorrow is going to be a long day . I have just moved the bar and it seems to be adding quite a bit more air to the water . I will get the water tested first thing and get the med you have suggested . If needs be I'll do a water change as well .
Thanks again for all the help . I will post back tomorrow evening to let you know the score .

ATB Colin

 

[WILDER]

Ok, good luck.

 

[30tooo]

Well , there might be a chance the little blighter is gonna make it .

He seems to be behaving a bit more normal and the inflamation and redness is receding . He still looks as though he has just been pulled through a bramble bush a few times but I presume that IF he recovers he will gradually get back to be his former greedy , fat , shy self with all his character back .

I have persevered with the eSHa 2000 as it does treat bacterial problems and stopped using the eSHa 2000 . Also I am now putting in the correct dosage . I am going to do a 50% water change tomorrow and vacuum the gravel . With any luck this will help to .

I have purchased a bottle of Myxazin in case the eSHa fails . The only problem I can see is that the instructions for the Myxazin states that you should not add it to the water for 48 hours after the last dose of other medication .


Let 's wait and see what the next few days bring .

 

[WILDER]

Ok glad he's on the mend.
I've used the esha 2000 and found it to be a good med, but only the bacterial one.