When To Plant After A Fishless Cycle?

Given the tank has just cycled and contains no fish how soon after planting would you add fish

  • Add plants on the day that you're going to add the fish

    Votes: 1 12.5%
  • Leave a day between planting and adding fish

    Votes: 2 25.0%
  • Leave a week between planting and adding fish (still adding 4ppm of ammonia)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 2 weeks

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • It really doesn't matter! Get over it :)

    Votes: 3 37.5%
  • Don't know :)

    Votes: 2 25.0%

  • Total voters
    8

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Thought I'd try a poll :)

We've just finished the cycle (in the qualifying week) and we can't add the fish yet as we're just about to go away on holiday for a week. We could however add the plants before we go away however that would leave the tank unsupervised for a week (rotting plants??)

This raises a question - how far before "fish day" should I plant the tank up?

Options would seem to be:
Do Fish day and Plant day at more or less the same time as you don't want Algae to take hold
Do the plants some time before to give them time to settle in / die off so you can deal with stuff before putting the fish into the situation
It really doesn't matter and I'm just being to anal about it all!

Any thoughts / help would be gratefully received!

Thanks

Miles
 
Just a few days ago I added plants and fish on the same day. I bought them from the same shop at the same time. Big mistake.

I got home after 45 minute bunpy car journey and obviously didn't want the new fish to stay in their bags any longer than necessary so I had to rush the planting and then put the fish straight in (after equalising temp etc)

I forgot to rinse the plants, put them in innappropriate positions and had to move them, had bits of plant floating around the tank which I then had to try and get out, one plant floated to the top and needed replanting several times. All of which was going on with the fish in the tank at a time when I was trying to keep things calm to stress the fish less.

I'll put the plants in a day before the fish next time :rolleyes:

HTH
 
The "it doesn't matter" option is just plain incorrect (contrary to the votes in favor of that).


If you add plants at the very beginning of the cycle, you are just inviting all kinds of algae problems. Especially if the plants are high-lighting plants. The more light with ammonia present, the more likely algae becomes.
 
But the OP has finished their cycle, so any ammonia is going to be in trace quantities, as per any cycled tank.

Just a note to the OP though, you need to either add fish or find someone to add ammonia while you are away.
 
Eagle - I have dark cycled the tank in a bare tank. Now that the cycle has basically ended I would like your opinion on the best timing of planting and then adding fish. This matter is complicated slightby by a holiday where the only activity will be the addition of ammonia to the tank by a friend.

Standby - Our friend is happy to add 9ml of ammonia every day and then we'll add the fish sometime after the holiday. I'm interested in your trace comment - does this imply that the risk of Algae is only the same as when we have fish now that the tank is cycled?

Thanks

Miles
 
No, the ammonia you're adding is being added in one go so the concentrations fluctuate, whereas when there are fish in the tank the output of ammonia is pretty much constant, I'd add the fish at the same time you add the plants.
 
Well, in my opinion, eagle, SS and Claire are all right - as is often the good result on a good forum! SS is right that the OP was already fishless cycled and asking in that context but eagle was good to put the comment in for all those beginners out there who see a subject line like this and don't yet have a clue that ammonia fishless cycling can encourage so much algae! Claire made a good observation that it would really be quite nice to get the plants in just prior to the fish to help reduce stress on the new fish!

So we've covered most of the good stuff here. Don't fishless cycle with plants (unless you're already plant savvy or focusing on that) so that you don't have to run lights and get algae. Do introduce plants at the end of the fishless cycle but just prior to fish. Don't.. stress too much if any of these plans goes wrong as the whole thing is not really a big deal in many ways.

One thing to add is to remember that a new fishless cycled tank offers more or less zero food for the plants! They are living things and need to eat too, right? In fact there are 17 things quite essential to them but not needed in equal proportions - we crudely know them as fertilizers, lol. Right along with the 17 nutrients of course is to realize that as soon as plants go in the correct lighting intensity and duration needs to begin to be experimented with, light being one of the keys to plants. Next, the nutrient that the plants shout for in greatest need is carbon (C) because it is the backbone of their sugars and unless they can transport sugars around the plant that very day, some of their cells will start to die. Carbon dioxide (or some very complicated molecules that shortcut the carbon dioxide pathway - we call these products "liquid carbons" (even though that's far from what they are in a chemistry sense, lol)) is another key factor, like light. Finally, rather surprisingly, one of the simpler key factors is to arrive at some product or combination of products to deliver the "other" dozen or so nutrients in amounts that keep them (any one of them) from being the limiting factor for a particular species of plant.

~~waterdrop~~
 
My experience seems to be slightly different to some comments although there might be mitigating factors....

I added 4 plants around halfway through my fishless cycle and whilst I did get some algae towards the end of the cycle it wasn't in significant amounts that made the tank look 'unkempt'....

The lights were left on for 5 hours or so and I used JLB Kugeln balls for fertiliser which seems to have boosted plant growth - not sure if this kept competition up for nutrients thus reducing the algae growth.

Doing it this way meant that the tank was ready for fish as soon as I was cycled so I didn't have to worry about stressing the fish with planting after I put the fish in.

Just thought I'd add this for comments (feel free to knock me down!) - whilst I agree with the above comments in general, from my limited experience there might be a case for putting plants in part way through a fishless cycle - either that or I was just lucky with my cycle?!
 
Cool, thanks all. I shall continue to cycle the tank, go on holiday and come back and plant the tank (complete with all the stuff needed to keep them alive. The next day do the big water change and the next day get the fish in.:)
 
Well, to address the poll, which is general, the rule is not to add the plants "at any time". As I stated above.


As far as how I did it, I can address this and give you my experience. First, about one week prior to getting fish, I added some plants: amazon swords and anubias. Then a little later after I added fish, I added some more plants, this time I added some more amazon swords and anacharis. At this time I noticed a slight build up of Black Beard Algae (which in a low light tank like I have meant fluctuating CO2 levels and in sufficient circulation). I was able to deal with this problem in two ways - first, since I was adding fish to a partially cycled filter with additional fully cycled media and a few more fish to bring the numbers up to the proper level for the variety I had - I was doing partial water changes on a fairly regular basis to keep the ammonia levels well below 0.25ppm. I only actually measured it once at 0.25ppm, but I was doing a partial (30-50%) water change every 3 days. So, I stopped changing the water so much, as the CO2 levels in the tap water were higher than the levels of the tank water. I also was able to finally add the second filter I had ordered for the tank and the circulation level of the tank was doubled. The BBA disappeared without me having to do a thing to remove it.

The down side is that I believe that I actually added far too much anacharis for my level of trace elements in the water. Most of the anacharis actually melted back and I have since removed it. Of the original 4 bunches that I added to the tank, only one bunch has survived and grown from this original purchase. I've found a spot in my tank that it thrives, and since my panda cories have chosen to lay eggs there twice already, I will always make sure that there is anacharis in that spot. (Of course, since increasing those totals to 11 with the purchase of 6 more on Friday night, I really don't have the need to have them breed in the future. But, I like the fact that I saw them breeding and the fact that such a difficult fish to get to breed was happy enough in the tank to be breeding makes me happy about them. I've lost a few fish since I got this tank fully going. I lost the sick zebra danio. I also lost all three of the harlequins that I rescued as well, but I have no idea exactly how old they were, and the stress of moving tanks might have been too much for them. Two of these passed while the tank was under the care of my dad. He told me that my ammonia and nitrite levels were at zero the entire time, but the temps did climb up to 80F during that time. I had the A/C in the house going because I knew it would get hot, but I didn't keep it as low as I normally would have if we had been living there. And I lost one cory from the original purchase I made. That one was a bit odd from the beginning, I think it was just a weak animal. He was a bit smaller than the others from the beginning, far less active than the others and always paler. The others have all thrived thus far. And my levels have been excellent. I am getting a few amazon sword leaves that are dying back still. I just trim them off when I notice them during a weekly water change (of course, that's the only time I am around them right now, given my crazy summer work schedule - my wife is caring for the tank in my absence - aka feeding as I have prescribed). It is an excellent looking tank, in my opinion :D. I rescaped slightly with the new additions and have set up the tank to have better visual access to the back corner that the cories have made their primary resting place. And I've added a few "hiding" places that are a bit more visible in the front of the tank, in an effort to have better sight of the individuals.

I hope that this helps with what I would suggest in regards to adding plants. (If not, here it is: add them immediately before adding fish (like 24 hours - which is how I voted in the poll) and be prepared for some of the plants to die back a bit. Be prepared to need to move them around a bit as needed based on their needs and the flow of your tank, as well as the lighting. Remove dead leaves as soon as possible to limit ammonia build-up from that, and expect snails. Snails are going to hitchhike on the plants, even if they are "snail-free". What I have found this means is that you are not being charged for the snails that are hiding with the plants. I have noticed a few little snails in my tank, but I'm not too worried about them. My son enjoys the game of trying to find them. They come out at different times, but primarily when the lights are off.)
 

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