What type of angelfish?

Moving the tetra out for a few days will only worsen the problem when you put it back in the tank. It is considered an intruder/ new comer and needs to find its place in the group.

If it gets bashed and bits are missing from it, then remove it so the others don't kill it.
 
The angel also has long fin; sexing is very difficult until it display the breeding tubes. Females will nearly always do this even if there is no male; males less likely - this site shows some of the genetic combinations to get different looks:
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I have more links if you need them - there are many people that play with different combinations for different looks as this is something that seem to fascinate folks for whatever reason. There are many different popular combinations. I personally do not like long fins as the fishes seem to have trouble with them over time and they easily tear if caught on wood or whatever. Also some fishes will nip at them. I seem to have a special liking for platinum angels - not really sure why. A lot of folks like wild altums but they require more special care and can be quite expensive.
 
thanks. let me look at those links tonight after work.
interesting point on the long fins getting torn.

what i have noticed is that the white tetra is much calmer if the light isn't on in the tank and nobody is watching it (up close). we are going to leave the lights off during the day for a couple of days to see if that helps with the aggression toward the other glofish tetras.

thanks for all the help, I am sure i'll be back with tons of other questions!
 
So unfortunately the new angelfish is scaring the tetras around feeding time. The tetra use to love eating but they are afraid. The new angel tries to attack them randomly during feeding. They haven’t been successful but I am worried.

Even our other angelfish who was very calm and no issues seems to be more hyper now.

If this continues we might have to return the angel but I will let my daughter make the final call.
 
While you may not see actual physical aggression, fish communicate chemically via pheromones (within the species) and allomones (between fish of different species). The fish's natural instincts--which are programmed into the species genetics--will play out regardless. No mention has been made of the tank size, that factors in. Angelfish are not small fish, attaining (if healthy) a length of six inches and a vertical fin span of around 8 inches. And they do not like active tetras buzzing around them. Angelfish are also shoaling fish, and two, three or four is never advisable.
 
i thought i mentioned the tank size - that's very important - 36 gallon tank. 6 tetras (5 glofish and 1 white skirt), 2 angel fish.

the older angelfish - we got early march - is only about the same size as the new one - around 2 inches. he's very calm around the other tetras and if anything doesn't go nuts when eating and lets the tetra take alot of the top food. (he gets all the sinking food). this new angel feels like it's scaring the tetra around feeding time and when we are looking at them.

when we aren't in front of the tank it seems more calm overall - other than the one white tetra chasing the others a bit more aggressively than normal.

i did not know about the angelfish numbers. i thought 2 was fine. we use to have 2 and they were very calm although 1 was never really good and died after 4 months.
is one angelfish okay?

thanks for all of the information. will my 36 bow front tank be too small for the angels? my first one doesn't seem like he's growning like crazy, we do feed him well. perhaps too much actually.
 
i did not know about the angelfish numbers. i thought 2 was fine. we use to have 2 and they were very calm although 1 was never really good and died after 4 months.
is one angelfish okay?

First, let me say that through scientific study of a species we (aquarists/hobbyists/scientists) have learned what a fish species requires to be in good health and, for lack of a better word, happy. There are always fish of a species that behave outside the norm, for various reasons. Sometimes the reason is obvious, such as tank size, numbers of the species for a shoaling/schooling species, certain other fish species in the tank, the decor, etc. And, sometimes an individual fish will be contrary to the norm, for reasons unknown. All animals, and people, are like this. But having learned as much as we can about "x" species, we try to provide what we know they are comfortable with, in terms of the afore-mentioned factors.

Angelfish is a shoaling species. Its shoaling needs are somewhat different from the majority of shoaling species such as all characins (tetras, hatchetfishes, pencilfishes), cyprinids (rasvboras, loaches, barbs, danios), atherinids (rainbowfish), some catfish (cories for example). With angelfish, the shoal is about 30 fish that remain together around sticks, logs, plants in the habitat. They develop an hierarchy. A male will select a female and spawn. In the habitat this poses no problems, because the other angelfish in this shoal can move sufficient distance to not pose a threat. In the aquarium, this does not play out the same, except in huge tanks. I recall watching this behaviour very clearly at the Vancouver Aquarium a few years ago. The group of around 15 angelfish (Pterophyllum scalare) were in a tank that was some 8 feet in height by 6 or 7 feet in width, and 3 or 4 feet depth (front to back). The angelfish were always in their shoal around a set of branches that extended full height of the tank. There was a group of black ghost knife fish above them (these two species are often found together in the habitats). The fish within the shoal nudged each other, as they lived according to their hierarchy. I have seen videos of similar situations, I will post one below; there are I think 14 angelfish in this tank, and they are playing out their hierarch just as they do in the habitat. There are enough of them, and sufficient space, that this works. But this is the ideal angelfish setup, though the video owner does comment that a larger tank is necessary and in the works. But from all we know about this species, this is how to keep them.

I never advise a single angelfish because I don't think it is fair or kind to force the fish into a totally unnatural environment, denying it something it expects. And this expectation is programmed into the genetics for the species, as for all species. They are requirements, and the individual fish expect them.

When you get to two, or three, or four angelfish, it is not enough to ensure the needs of the fish are being met. And if one of these should happen to be male, look out. Males will expect their territory, and that means space. Females may or may not decide to live together in harmony. But what we do know is that it is unnatural. And it is likely to set up a situation that in time if not immediately will be problematic.

 
that's a nice video. a lot more nipping than i would expect. my 2 angelfish (not this new one) from before never really interacted much - and definitely not like these guys.

your comment on angelfish is not what i had read online or more likely what they said was it's okay to have 1. but didn't really take into account the fish happiness which requires more shoaling.

i was hoping to find a few other fish to put in our tank other than the glofish tetras. that's what my daughter wants - but i'd like to have others. if possible i'd like a couple of bigger (3 inch) fish that are calm. i would rehome the angelfish in that scenario. cost isn't really an issue - but i would like ones that are on the easier side to take care of

i don't think my daughter wants another group of 6 fish - she really wants to be able to tell the fish apart so that's where the glofish work out nicely.

would love to hear any suggestions.

thanks again for all of the comments. lots to learn
 
that's a nice video. a lot more nipping than i would expect. my 2 angelfish (not this new one) from before never really interacted much - and definitely not like these guys.

your comment on angelfish is not what i had read online or more likely what they said was it's okay to have 1. but didn't really take into account the fish happiness which requires more shoaling.

i was hoping to find a few other fish to put in our tank other than the glofish tetras. that's what my daughter wants - but i'd like to have others. if possible i'd like a couple of bigger (3 inch) fish that are calm. i would rehome the angelfish in that scenario. cost isn't really an issue - but i would like ones that are on the easier side to take care of

i don't think my daughter wants another group of 6 fish - she really wants to be able to tell the fish apart so that's where the glofish work out nicely.

would love to hear any suggestions.

thanks again for all of the comments. lots to learn

My first comment is, the issue is what the fish species want, not what you the aquarist wants. Not meaning to be nasty here, it is just a fact. Fish are living creatures, they have needs and expectations, and it is not humane to deny these.

As for conflicting advice...there are many half-wits posting "expertise" without having a clue. There are reliable sites, listen to them. The internet has helped us with research but it has at the same time been the worst hindrance to the hobby. You need to know the sources.

I can't see mention of the tank size, so suggesting other fish is difficult. Also water parameters. Glofish will be more adaptable in a sense than many natural species, but none of us wants to suggest fish only to have them suffer and die because of unsuitable surroundings be it water parameters, tank size or other fish. The Glofish do limit tankmates somewhat for example.
 
agree with your comment - you aren't being nasty. i was trying to say the same thing. The internet has lots of information. not all of it is true.
that's why i joined a forum to learn.

sorry, my tank is a 36 gallon bowfish tank. our water parameters from testing i think are good. except the ph is always low and we can't get it higher. we keep the tank at 80 degrees.
what specifically on water paraments is important? is this hardness or PH? (i know ammmonia needs to be low). I am a beginner so not sure of what i know/don't know.
 
agree with your comment - you aren't being nasty. i was trying to say the same thing. The internet has lots of information. not all of it is true.
that's why i joined a forum to learn.

sorry, my tank is a 36 gallon bowfish tank. our water parameters from testing i think are good. except the ph is always low and we can't get it higher. we keep the tank at 80 degrees.
what specifically on water paraments is important? is this hardness or PH? (i know ammmonia needs to be low). I am a beginner so not sure of what i know/don't know.

We all started out not knowing what we now know. Everyone on TFF is helpful, we've travelled the same road even if it was 30 or 40 years ago.

Parameters include four things, GH, KH, pH and temperature. The first and last are most important, they significantly affect the fish's physiology, function of internal organs and metabolism. The pH is next, important but if stable and not excessive not really an issue. The KH I never worry about, except if I am having to increase GH and pH for certain fish then KH becomes important as the pH buffer.

Ammonia, nitrite and nitrate are not technically parameters, but conditions. The first two must always be zero, the third as close to zero as possible and certainly not higher than 20ppm. But even this will long-term affect many fish.

The tank size and parameters are fine for many fish. They have to be fairly active, like the Glofish, so don't look at sedate or quiet fish--like angelfish (!) or gourami, or indeed cichlids. Danios, barbs, active species of tetra are all candidates, generally. If you have soft sand as the substrate, cory catfish work here. But lower the temp, 80F is too warm for all of these fish frankly. The higher the temp of the water, the harder the fish must work to carry out life processes. Cories cannot be this warm, the glofish would be better lower too, around 74-76F.
 
agree with your comment - you aren't being nasty. i was trying to say the same thing. The internet has lots of information. not all of it is true.
that's why i joined a forum to learn.

sorry, my tank is a 36 gallon bowfish tank. our water parameters from testing i think are good. except the ph is always low and we can't get it higher. we keep the tank at 80 degrees.
what specifically on water paraments is important? is this hardness or PH? (i know ammmonia needs to be low). I am a beginner so not sure of what i know/don't know.
One of the great things about this hobby is when we find out that one of our ideas isn't viable, we soon learn that there are lots of other great options.
 
We all started out not knowing what we now know. Everyone on TFF is helpful, we've travelled the same road even if it was 30 or 40 years ago.

Parameters include four things, GH, KH, pH and temperature. The first and last are most important, they significantly affect the fish's physiology, function of internal organs and metabolism. The pH is next, important but if stable and not excessive not really an issue. The KH I never worry about, except if I am having to increase GH and pH for certain fish then KH becomes important as the pH buffer.

Ammonia, nitrite and nitrate are not technically parameters, but conditions. The first two must always be zero, the third as close to zero as possible and certainly not higher than 20ppm. But even this will long-term affect many fish.

The tank size and parameters are fine for many fish. They have to be fairly active, like the Glofish, so don't look at sedate or quiet fish--like angelfish (!) or gourami, or indeed cichlids. Danios, barbs, active species of tetra are all candidates, generally. If you have soft sand as the substrate, cory catfish work here. But lower the temp, 80F is too warm for all of these fish frankly. The higher the temp of the water, the harder the fish must work to carry out life processes. Cories cannot be this warm, the glofish would be better lower too, around 74-76F.
I got my water down to 79. We are going on vacation so don’t want to mess with the heater till we come back. But will definitely get it down more.

Unfortunately it seems like our new angelfish is going to have to get returned. It’s just chasing the tetras during feeding time and the tetra aren’t eating as much. It’s sad because our other angelfish seems to be happier now that he has a friend. The old angelfish we had was sick from the very beginning and didn’t really swim around much.
 

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