What Should Be My Next Move

Hi kbod :)

I hope you're feeling better soon, and your poor kitty too. :flowers:

The water change definitely helped. With both nitrite and nitrate showing it looks like the cycling is making progress. You might want to test your tap water just to know what your baseline data is. If you have nitrate in it already it might not have actually developed in the tank yet.
 
thanks , i will test my tap water .

how soon will i need to do another water change ? and what amount ?

and how often should i test for results ?

thanks kaz x
 
results of my tap water show

ph 7.8

amonia in between 0. & 0.25

nitrite 0.

nitrate 5.0

what does it mean am i ok ?

and can someone let me no about retests and water change as in above questions

thanks kaz x
 
Hi kbod,

While your tap water is not perfect (some ammonia rather than zero and some nitrates) it will still be good enough to dilute and improve on your latest tank readings.

Water changes can be performed 1 hour after a previous water change after a goal has not been met. In your case, your previous water change, while lowering your ammonia, did not get it below 0.25ppm, so another water change was called for and could have been done as soon as one hour after.

Likewise, your tank test was still showing some nitrite(NO2), so the extra water change will help that too. And since we know your tap water has zero nitrite, we know that we can hopefully get tank nitrite to zero or very close.

So I would perform another 50% change, just like you did before. We're assuming that you are using conditioner (the chemical you have that removed chlorine or chloramine, whichever your town uses.) Also, you'll want to roughly temperature match the new water and your hand is a good enough judge for this.

From now on you should do morning and evening tests for ammonia and NO2 and try to work out a pattern of water changing that will keep both poisons below 0.25ppm.

Good Luck and I hope all goes well tonight, especially for that poor cat!

~~waterdrop~~
 
thanks i will do the water change again tonight as im still up , im glad i got the test kit very wise advice from here. ive also noticed a few new plants that have brown patches on them when brought from pets at home they seem to be worse do i take out the whole plant or just the rotten leaf or is it natural ?

didnt expect to find amonia in my tap water but glad its ok still to drink ! isnt it ? yukk will finish my cupa later ...

i have a dechlorinater drop tapsafe think its called so i use that ,

also i was sold a filter boost with the new tank and im still adding drops every 2 days ,

and lfs sold me liquid drops that changes bad amonia into harmless amonia although it still shows on tests but unsure how often i use it

any advice greatly appreciated thanks kaz


ps thanks for concern about kitty x
 
ok spent some time reading up on things i should have looked at from the beginning a newbie but really thats no excuse .

glad i have as wow what lot of useful info out here , although im having trouble with a few links .


im really interested in how to add media from an established tank to help my cycle , how do i go about getting hold of some and from who ?

im in the uk ,mablethorpe but can travel locally to collect some , so would any kind sole out their be able to help me with some media , i read about putting a old filter in a stocking

and as im having trouble with my readings id be very greatful of any assistance in helping my tank as i dont want to loose any fish unnessesarily . please advise me or let me no if i

need to post a request thanks kaz x
 
Good morning kbod (at least for me its morning,lol)!

Let's start with the most important things and then work down:

(1)
First, the most important thing is your Fish-In Cycle (because that's what's keeping your fish alive!) You didn't report what the water change accomplished last night (probably because it was late and you didn't wait half hour for testing etc.)

So, again, you want to establish that you'll do tests at least morning and evening (at least until you get a feel for what to expect your water is doing.) If you find that one of the poisons has reached 0.25ppm or slightly above then its time for another 50% water change. If its 0.50ppm or higher, I'd say, that's more urgent and you'd need your water change soon and then probably another an hour later based on a test before the second change.

In your notebook or on paper, record the date, time, tank temp., ammonia, nitrite(NO2) and pH when you test. You can post it here too when asking questions or not, once you feel you understand it. pH is an easy test and if it stays pretty good then maybe you can slow down the number of times that's done after a while.

(2)
Getting "Mature Media" for your filter:
Yes, there are threads (I believe there's a pinned one at the top of "New to the Hobby") where you can post up your need for mature media. If you are very lucky, someone near Maplethorpe might see it and reply and you could set up a meeting. (Of couse, you could catch the next trans-Atlantic flight and drop in at my place and I'd give you some ceramic rings covered in bacteria... :lol: ) Anyway, don't worry too much about it, its rare to find someone to donate and your fish-in cycle will proceed without it, just more slowly, about a month we're talking.

(3)
Other chemicals you've got:
The "filter boost" is probably worthless (this is what they give customers instead of telling them it takes a month to prepare a filter, because otherwise they'd lose them as a customer and hobbyist usually!) but its also probably harmless, so you can keep putting it in if you want, can't hurt, we assume.

The stuff to treat "bad ammonia" I'd save and here's how I might use: Remember how if you see 0.50 or above of one of the poisons, ammonia or nitrite(NO2), your water change is more urgent, right? Well, if that happened but you had to go out and couldn't do the water change, then you could use some of this stuff. Its not as good as doing a water change, because it will mess up understanding your readings next time (ammonia will still look too high) but it might help in a pinch.

(4)
Odds and Ends:
When plant leaves get too brown to be saved, pinch just the leaf off at the crown (base of leaf stem) and you can keep hoping new leaves will sprout. The roots and crown can still hold future life sometimes even when all leaves are pinched off. But pruning is good because dead plant debris is also a cause of ammonia.

About the ammonia in your tap water: remember, its ppm (parts per -million-) so its a really, really tiny amount, so you can just think of it as giving your tea some "character!" :lol: Because you have some ammonia in your tap water though, eventually, after you are cycled, we'll recommend maybe 25% water changes rather than 30% changed for your weekly gravel-clean-water-change maintenance, just a slightly smaller amount. Remember, this is *not* what you are worrying about now. For now just worry about your fish-in cycle as in number (1) up above.

About reading: Yes, reading here about the hobby is great. Look in the Beginners Resource Center and you can read quite a number of good articles. Also, many experienced members have great reading links in their "signature." I also think its great to read the threads of other beginners here and interact if you want, for some this helps them learn it better. Then there are other fascinating things in the other sections of the forum too! Its fun.

(5)
Hopefully TFF will help you have a better fish tank, Kaz and Kitty, and things will be looking up!

~~waterdrop~~ :D
 
No need to go round the shops you can buy an API test kit and your gravel vac cheaply on ebay and have them delivered to your door!

The API test kits are around £20 in the shops - go to ebay at

API test kit on Ebay

This is the gravel cleaner I use , it has a pump to start the flow and also a grill on the sucktion end at the bottom to stop any gravel or fish being sucked up

Gravel syphon cleaner
 
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wow thanks for taking the time to point me in the right directions i really appreciate it ,i have pasted this onto my computor for future reference. this is one new hobby im

thoroughly enjoying im just nevy about making mistakes that may harm the fish .cant believe ive got so attached to the little blighters aww..

my connection crashed last night so was unable to post results . but yeh i waited 45 mins before re- testing

when i did another 50% water change results last night were as follows ,

ph 7.8

amonia 0.25

nitrate 0 - 0.25

nitrate 5.0 - 10. more 10.

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now retesting morning and evening time and doing 2 water changes if need be .



when i retested this morning results were

ph 7.8

amonia 0. - 0.25

nitrite 0. - 0.25 more 0.

nitrite 5.0 - 10. more 10.

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so after results i did a 25% water change this morning


all fish seem ok ....

retesting now so just waiting results ....


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thanks for offer of media i will catch next flight over can you put me up for a few weeks ? i could do with a hol lol x

i will add a post asking for it and see if im lucky ,but if anyones reading this please can someone donate any media for my tank i am willing to pay and can collect locally im at mablethorpe,lincolnshire ,uk


thanks kaz x
 
as of now 9pm uk time

ph 7.8

amonia between 0. & 0.25 more 0.

nitrite 0.

nitrate 10. & 20.

things are looking better ,thanks all.

ps got my medium size interpet prime gravel cleaner today . cost around a fiver not bad , gonna have some fun later ,threatened hubby if cupas not brewing in 5mins hes getting

his colon cleaned .. lol
 
Dont give up you can win! I had to remove my 3 amanno shrimp from my tank to put meds in (it kills shrimp) but I didnt have a spare hospital tank or filter and had to rush out and buy them. Everyone told me they would surely die as they are so sensitive and it was a new tank. I did water changes twice a day for a few weeks then every day for about month and they survived with no problems!

If you are serious about your fish then be prepared - buy a small tank and filter and run the filter alongside in your main tank until it is seeded. Then when it is take out the sponges and put them into your permanent filter in your main tank. Then when you have a sick fish you can do a water change and use the water you have taken out to fill the hospital tank, take out the spare 'hospital' filter sponges and pop them in your hospital filter and you have a mature tank!
 
thanks for vote of confidence ,im feeling positive the fish look fine and im doing water changes twice daily and retesting results after 1hour.

advice need please ...

1) i used my gravel vac 1st time yesterday , got sort of the hang of it in the end, trouble is it empties water so fast and if i cap end a bit with finger it stops the gravel

mixing and cleaning about in the pipes any tips guys ?


2) also i think i got wrong size too big as i got a medium as advised for my 64 litre tank by lfs but it meant having to remove most things in tank from rocks to plants to decs ,

should i get smaller size vac ?


3) as i needed to remove most things in tank i 1st took out a bit of tank water and washed/swilled them as they felt slimmy was that correct ?


4) one of the ornaments is a large rock from pets at home it resmbles 3 doughnuts stacked on each other ( hungry i no but all i could think of ) guessing a type of resin ,

well there are dark brown spots on it only a few but look like ciggie burns what are they ? and how can i clean them ? as rinsing / slight rubbing didnt remove rock is bumpy


5) could i get a brush like tooth brush for cleaning items ?


6) my water looked awful after cleaning with vac i emptied 50% water while vac-ing its clear now but is that normal ?


7) finally should i use vac each time i do water change ? which is twice daily or how often ?


thanks for being understanding i no alot of questions but i dont want to make unnecessary mistakes when simple advice would of fixed.
 

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