Want to start a puffer tank

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I am planning to convert an existing 10 US gallon tank into a dwarf puffer tank. I am planning to get 2 or 3 DPs and perhaps a couple of otocynclis. The tank has been running for 2 years and currently has 1 zebra danio in it, which I plan to move into a different tank. The setup consists of about 1" of gravel, heater and an over-the-back penguin filter. Should I take everything out, clean the tank well, and start cycling new water (with something other than DPs), or is it better to use the current water, gravel, etc?

Also, I would like to add live plants to the tank and wondered what kind of substrate the plants would do best in. Like I said, I currently have the common size of gravel that they carry in many colors at PetsMart. I plan to get a new florscent bulb that has a wider light spectrum.

Any input would be greatly appreciated as I am just starting to learn about DPs and how to keep them. I have read a few threads on this site, so I do have some knowledge on what all is involved.

Thanks
Brian
 
Hey Brian,

A 10G will make a lovely setup, but when having more than 1 dp there is always a chance they will not get along when getting older. For this reason, I recommend making sure you will always have a 5G on hand which you can move 1 into if you have to. That said, lets start!

A 10G will be able to keep 2 dwarf puffers, I wouldnt go for 3. The rule tends to be 5Gallons per puffer, and it's not a rule that stretches easily. Puffers prefer sand, and dark sand at that. Sand is a must, dark is a preference (they'll prefer, but won't need), gravel tends to be too sharp and pointy seeing as puffers often sleep on the bottom and sometimes even burry themselfs in the substrate. An inch of sand should do, but I prefer using about 2 inches seeing as this will hold the roots of plants better.

So I'd say, get rid of the gravel (keep some in tights for now, so the tank will be pretty much cycled right away, and you can remove it after about 2 weeks*) and get sand. The filter I'd keep the way it is so you wont go through a full cycle. The water is up to you, there's not much benificial in it.

The tank will have to be well planted, to break up the eye sight of the puffers. They'll need to be able to get away from eachother quickly when they want to. When puffers are young they tend to group and stay together, when they age the get aggressive towards eachother. For breaking up the eye sight it's best to use a combination of rocks/wood & plants. Terracota pots can be used too, but look less natural :)

The tank will also have to be heated and well filtered. Puffers are messy easters, so yeah :)

Thats the setup pretty much done.

Looking after dwarf puffers isnt too difficult really, even though them getting along comes down to luck. I recommend getting 1 male and 1 female or 2 females. The males dont tend to get along too well, or rather ... chances of fights leading to death seem to be higher in m/m ratios rather than f/f or m/f. They'll still not get along too well though :) You can see the difference by having a close look at them. Males will have a dark line showing on their belly (though I have noticed this sometimes fades.. females however, will never have it), and they will have wrinkles behind their eyes (these will always show). Buy them at the same time, and put them in at the same time. Once 1 has formed a territory already it will wound if not kill all others that enter. For this reason it's not recommended getting a puffer later on and adding them 1 by 1 over a long period of time.

Frequent water changes should be done, seeing as they're quite sensitive to ammonia. Once a week, 30% should do the tick in a well filtered 10G though.

Feeding:
Bloodworms are best used as a main source of food, feed them this once every 2 days. Make sure to not feed too much though, seeing as often puffers only eat that what moves. Meaning that as soon as it leaves the current of the filter and touches the bottom, it will be ignored. You can see the belly grow and it's not that difficult to tell when you've fed them enough :) Make sure not too many bloodworms stay left behind on the bottom, it will pollute the water. Untill you've figured out how much to feed, I recommend getting rid of the bloodworms that stay left behind right after the feeding.

You can vary their diet by giving them live or frozen foods. Mine seem to ignore pretty much everything though :p Things to try out as treats are: daphnia (live or frozen), white musquito larvae, brine shrimp (if live, make sure to rinse them under fresh water first to get rid of the salt on them), mysis shrimp, river shrimp (live or frozen), cut up mussels etc!

A must in feeding though, is snails. All snails cept for malasian trumpet snails (their snails are too hard and are likely to break the puffers teeth rather than trim them). The golden rule is "it will get crushed as long as its smaller than the size of the puffers eye". You can imagine that the snails need to be quite small :) Larger ones can be used as treats however. The puffer will simply bite of their heads or try and suck them out of their shell. The shell will have to be removed afterwards, seeing as the dead snail inside will start rotting and pollute the water.

*Gravel keeping:
The substrate contains must benificial bacteria, so if you keep the gravel you'll have an instant cycle. However, you want to move onto sand for the puffers. I recommend scooping out the gravel but rather than throwing it away, putting it into tights (stockings, panty-hose, whatever you wanna call it ;)) Tie up the ends of it, and put it onto the sand. This way the bacteria will quickly grow and move into the sand as well, causing an nearly instant cycle rather than having to start all over again. In about two weeks you can remove the gravel & tights and have a fully cycled tank.

--Edit--

About the ottos as clean-up crew. Keep a very close eye on them, some people manage to pull it off, others end up having an otto missing an eye or even dead.

Also have a look at Topic about dwarf puffer setup and Puffers are not community fish for some more information (Even though the last post is not about DPs, the same still goes for them).

I think that's all ... if any more questions, I'd be happy to answer them :)
 
I would seriously advise against Otos. I have heard far more people who haven't been able to pull it off than those who have managed it in the long term (i.e. more than 6 months).

Another tank mate, though extremely difficult to be sure of finding is the fully FW Bumblebee Goby (not Brachygobius Doriae but Hypogymnogobius xanthozona). They can hold their own with the DPs and the two will generally ignore each other.

Bristlenose plecs are quite often successful but I wouldn't recommend such a waste producing fish in a 10US gal.

HIH

Andy
 
Wow! Thanks for all the great info Erised! I have much more to go on now, and is nice to have a more definite answer regarding the substrate.

As far as the conversion from my current setup to the new setup, once I put the sand in, should I leave the zebra danio for a while, until I remove the gravel in pantyhose, or will it be ready right away to add the DPs? Since I will be adding plants too, should I add those, leave the danio, and wait a week or two before adding the DPs? Do you have any suggestions for type/brand/etc for the sand, or is all sand that I find at my LFS the same? Also, I'm not familiar with cleaning sand, but have a vaccuum for cleaning my gravel...will this work for sand too?

Thanks
Brian
 
If you use the same filter (keep it under water the whole time so the bacteria wont dry out) and keep the gravel in pantyhose in there, it really is just fully cycled right away. So you could move the danio right away and get dps if you'd want to. I however think it's best to give it at least a couple of days to settle completely. Also, when putting in sand the water tends to be cloudy for the first couple of days (make sure the rinse it out properly first! there's a pinned topic on it overe here: Topic on sand). I think it's best to wait at least 3 days till a week before moving the dwarf puffers in :) Adding the plants can happen as soon as you've got the sand in.

Puffers can be quite sensitve so the longer you wait with just plants, danio, sand & gravel the better ... but it shouldn't really be able to hurt to move them in any time from now till whenever :)

No suggestions on the sand part. Personally, I buy my sand in hardware stores rather than petshops, it's sooooo much cheaper! The pinned topic should be able to help you out over here as well. Personally I use Silver Sand.

Cleaning the sand isn't much different than cleaning gravel really, cept for the fact that it's a lot easier to keep clean ;) With gravel the dirt tends to fall through the gravel and fall to the bottom, with sand it just stays on top. The dirt is lighter than the sand, which means that if you hover the syphon hose about an inch over the sand, the dirt will come up, get sucked up and leave the sand unmoved :) It might take a while before you get the hang of it, but once you do ... it's a lot easier!

good luck with it all :)
 
Are dwarf puffers still saltwater? Isn't it hard to keep the water safe/live able in such a small tank as a saltwater?
 
sweet! How long do they get? where can I get em?
 
The max size of a dwarf puffer is a stunning 1 inch! ;)
To keep 1 you'll need a tank of at least 5Gallons, though mine has a 13G for itself and is loving it!

Where to get them? Umm ... I dont know! Here in Holland I know 2 shops that sell them but that's no use to you! Look around in mom & pop shops and you should be able to find some I think. Make sure that they are indeed dwarf puffers though!
 
Well, I started the conversion last night. I picked up some dark sand blasting sand at Menard's, put the old gravel in some pantyhose, cleaned up all the junk that had settled to the bottom of the tank and put some sand in. I'll finish putting the sand in tonight, but what is there already looks great! I also picked up a new flourescent bulb that is for good plant growth and some plants that I will plant tonight as well.

I have read in a couple of different places that when using sand as the substrate, it needs to be stirred from time to time, so it won't build up toxins. Is this true? If so, how often should I stir it, and how should I go about doing that in a planted tank?

Also, I am going to give the DPs and otocynclis a try. Should I put the ottos in first, or after the DPs? I thought it might be good to put them in first, for a week or so, to keep the cycle going along with the zebra danio. Thoughts?
 
i found my oto's pretty fragile fish, they didnt do at all well with a tank that was fully cycled but had only been running a couple of months, so you may want to wait till you add them, but even so you may still find you lose one or two. I lost two of my first three, and one of the second three that i subsequently bought a month or two later.

I use sand in my brackish puffer tank, but dont have any live plants in there so cant help re the other question of stirring around the plants, but you will need to stir the sand once every couple of weeks or so to prevent anaerobic spots forming.
 
I havent tried the ottos myselfs, or at least, not with puffers. It is indeed true that they're very fragile fish and prefer a mature tank. I think I'd wait a bit with them, add them in a couple of months. Mind you though, your tank will have to have a lot of algae in it, I've never been able to keep the ottos alive in a tank that didnt have that (I've tried algae wafels, tabs, cucumber, lettuce and way more! They'll eat, but not enough to stay alive).

It is true that sand needs to be steered up once in a while. Personally, I've never done it and haven't had problems, but hey. (--Edit-- thinking about it, I steer it up during water changes when removing algae from the sand and when adding water to it etc)I guess that with plants, you simply stick something in the sand (a finger for example!) around the places with plants, and move around a little. Don't worry about it too much though
 
Erised: you may not notice a problem yet, but if for some reason the sand does get stirred up, bubbles WILL be released which will release toxins into the water....i bet if you were able to test your water for methane and co2 before you stirred and then after you would see what i mean...fact is, you WONT notice a problem if you don't stir, but your fish eventually will
 
Fair enough :)
I think the reason I never noticed is simply because when cleaning the sand gets stirred up and messed around with a lot already anyway, and our puffer likes burrying himself :) My other tanks with sand have corydoras and banjo catfish in it to keep it stirred, so yeah.
 
trumpet snails live in the substrate and are good for keeping sand from compacting. they won't eat your plants either. since they could rapidly become puffersnacks, you'll want to introduce as many as you can acquire and continue introductions until it looks like you've got a sustainable colony. if you can also start adding the MTS before you have puffers, then that should help as well.
 

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