KathyM
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I've had a rethink about this last post and I wanted to apologise again. I was answering Bloo's post and really don't mean to offend you at all dulce. If you'd like me to edit/remove this post I'll completely understand.
Want A Labradoodle Puppy..
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diademhill
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IME these cross breedings are ALWAYS done for money. Think about it - if the parents are good examples of their respective breeds they would be used to produce more good examples of those breeds.
Which puppy are the breeders keeping? - the litter has been bred to sell which is the definition of a puppy farmer.
A lot of puppy farmers are cashing in on cossbreeds as people who wouldn't dream of paying hundreds for an unregistered pedigree puppy will pay out for an unregisterable mix. No registration = no papertrail = no taxman.
The KC will only register one litter per ***** per year so some are alternating same breed/ designer cross so the ***** has two litters per year +more money.
Labs & poodles both suffer from the same hereditary problems HD is only one of these & there are eye problems common to both breeds & the parents & their parents should all have up to date test certificates.
Scabies?? You must mean sebaceous adenitis which is tested biannually and is an autosomal recessive - why have they tested for this to crossbreed - it's about the only thing labs don't carry?
Actually it is often seen in mongrels though.
http
/www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/health_i...es_frameset.asp
IMO, given the health of your Dad, a rescue, middle aged or at least not a puppy, Standard Poodle would have been a better choice.
I've just rehomed an eight month old goldie fthat was bought for someone recovering bypass surgery - too energetic.
Which puppy are the breeders keeping? - the litter has been bred to sell which is the definition of a puppy farmer.
A lot of puppy farmers are cashing in on cossbreeds as people who wouldn't dream of paying hundreds for an unregistered pedigree puppy will pay out for an unregisterable mix. No registration = no papertrail = no taxman.
The KC will only register one litter per ***** per year so some are alternating same breed/ designer cross so the ***** has two litters per year +more money.
Labs & poodles both suffer from the same hereditary problems HD is only one of these & there are eye problems common to both breeds & the parents & their parents should all have up to date test certificates.
Scabies?? You must mean sebaceous adenitis which is tested biannually and is an autosomal recessive - why have they tested for this to crossbreed - it's about the only thing labs don't carry?
Actually it is often seen in mongrels though.
http
/www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/health_i...es_frameset.aspIMO, given the health of your Dad, a rescue, middle aged or at least not a puppy, Standard Poodle would have been a better choice.
I've just rehomed an eight month old goldie fthat was bought for someone recovering bypass surgery - too energetic.
dulce
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diademhill - got the tech name wrong sorry but sebaceous adenitis is apparently showing through in the labradoodle from the poodle side so they tested him to lessen the chance and if you read earlier my dog does not accept older dogs.
Kathy - no worries you dont have to remove anything i think yr point of view is to be respected as its incredibly passionate!
Anyway i came on with this topic cause i was excited about it but really didnt want to get into some debate about ethics and breeders we are not a bad home, we are not breeders.
Will remove pics to avoid post banging on as it seems to be getting a bit personal:
diademhill - you have no clue as to what the nature of the surgery so IYO really holds no value to the situation and they have had dogs for over 30 yrs so i think they know what they r in for !
Kathy - no worries you dont have to remove anything i think yr point of view is to be respected as its incredibly passionate!
Anyway i came on with this topic cause i was excited about it but really didnt want to get into some debate about ethics and breeders we are not a bad home, we are not breeders.
Will remove pics to avoid post banging on as it seems to be getting a bit personal:
diademhill - you have no clue as to what the nature of the surgery so IYO really holds no value to the situation and they have had dogs for over 30 yrs so i think they know what they r in for !
KathyM
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I really truly hope I didn't make you think that's what I thought of you.
Like you said, I get very passionate about this, and much as I'd hoped your parents might choose a rescue pup (or a well bred pedigree), I would never accuse you or them of being a bad home or bad owners.
Take care
Kathy
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First, congrats on the puppy. I am sure he will be well looked after and loved in your home.
I am not going to contribute to the debate here ( I hope) I just want to add what I know about Labradoodles.
Doodles were began in Australia in the 70's, as part of their guide/assistance dog program as a way to provide to clients with allergies. After 10 years they abandoned their breeding program as they had discovered that no matter how many F2, F3 generations they cross, they could not guarantee a dog that does not shed nor have some health issues.
I understand that now, apparently, serious breeders (and I mean the ones who have selectively bred F2s and F3 and F5 and whatever) and have kept records, have been able to successfully breed true hypo-allergenic doodles. However, it is my understanding that this is a very selective process and is not just throwing your common lab and poodle together. It involves some very painstaking selections and research. And alot of time!!
That said, I agree that there is an influx of "wrongly" (and I use that term loosely, mind) bred "labradoodles". I can guarantee that in another 6 months there will be a flood of doodles in the shelters when people who have purchased one for their "hypoallergenic non-shedding" claim, quickly find out that they are not that at all. True, some don't shed and take after the poodle side more, but more often others take after the lab and drop hair as soon as you look at them.
Okay, that's all I wanted to say! Dulce, I hope Larry makes you all smile and happy again, and I hope you give Larry all the love he can take in his lifetime!
I am not going to contribute to the debate here ( I hope) I just want to add what I know about Labradoodles.
Doodles were began in Australia in the 70's, as part of their guide/assistance dog program as a way to provide to clients with allergies. After 10 years they abandoned their breeding program as they had discovered that no matter how many F2, F3 generations they cross, they could not guarantee a dog that does not shed nor have some health issues.
I understand that now, apparently, serious breeders (and I mean the ones who have selectively bred F2s and F3 and F5 and whatever) and have kept records, have been able to successfully breed true hypo-allergenic doodles. However, it is my understanding that this is a very selective process and is not just throwing your common lab and poodle together. It involves some very painstaking selections and research. And alot of time!!
That said, I agree that there is an influx of "wrongly" (and I use that term loosely, mind) bred "labradoodles". I can guarantee that in another 6 months there will be a flood of doodles in the shelters when people who have purchased one for their "hypoallergenic non-shedding" claim, quickly find out that they are not that at all. True, some don't shed and take after the poodle side more, but more often others take after the lab and drop hair as soon as you look at them.
Okay, that's all I wanted to say! Dulce, I hope Larry makes you all smile and happy again, and I hope you give Larry all the love he can take in his lifetime!
splashluff
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Congratulations on your little boy! 
He is very, very precious and he has a loving home now.
I would not bash you for buying a mix from a BYB at all... what's done is done. However, I often feel very sad when people totally discount mixes from rescue & shelters and turn instead to expensive "designer" mutts. My puppy cost a measly $100, and he is one of the smartest, cutest, most well-socialized and well-trained pups I've EVER met! He is from rescue... along with countless other deserving mixed breed puppies. I would not come down on you or your puppy, but it really is sad that mixed breeds are being produced and sold for INSANE prices; while, the majority of people feel that mixed puppies from shelters are too "unpredictable" or aren't good enough. The fact is, any mixed breed can acquire any sort of temperament/size/coloring/energy level. There is no consistency. The breeder cannot possibly show their dogs, or be approved by any reputable kennel club, or strive to improve their breed. It's just kind of depressing & I feel it's very hypocritical of people. Of course most people will not be able to find the perfect rescue puppy overnight - it will take weeks, months, or possibly more, of searching and meeting all sorts of puppies until you find the one for you. It took me a very long time to find my little guy, but now I would not trade him for a boat-load of Labradoodles! =P Seriously, for future reference, all of the loving mixed puppies you could ever need are languishing in shelters all around the world... it WILL take time & effort, just like anything else, but I highly recommend taking your time next time and saving a life instead of supporting a BYB.
He is very, very precious and he has a loving home now.I would not bash you for buying a mix from a BYB at all... what's done is done. However, I often feel very sad when people totally discount mixes from rescue & shelters and turn instead to expensive "designer" mutts. My puppy cost a measly $100, and he is one of the smartest, cutest, most well-socialized and well-trained pups I've EVER met! He is from rescue... along with countless other deserving mixed breed puppies. I would not come down on you or your puppy, but it really is sad that mixed breeds are being produced and sold for INSANE prices; while, the majority of people feel that mixed puppies from shelters are too "unpredictable" or aren't good enough. The fact is, any mixed breed can acquire any sort of temperament/size/coloring/energy level. There is no consistency. The breeder cannot possibly show their dogs, or be approved by any reputable kennel club, or strive to improve their breed. It's just kind of depressing & I feel it's very hypocritical of people. Of course most people will not be able to find the perfect rescue puppy overnight - it will take weeks, months, or possibly more, of searching and meeting all sorts of puppies until you find the one for you. It took me a very long time to find my little guy, but now I would not trade him for a boat-load of Labradoodles! =P Seriously, for future reference, all of the loving mixed puppies you could ever need are languishing in shelters all around the world... it WILL take time & effort, just like anything else, but I highly recommend taking your time next time and saving a life instead of supporting a BYB.
Bloo
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Well from my side - certainly no offence to anything's been taken
The world's a "funny place" and we all have our point of views and I respect that
Oh, I know I said I wouldn't say anything else - but just wanted to add that
Edit: spelling
Oh - edit again - I clearly really can't spell!
KathyM
Fish Herder
LMAO Bloo - your last word was your second to last word until you edited and now it's your third to last *lol*. I'm like that too
lisa_perry75
Fish Crazy
Heya,
Just two things really
1) A rescue dog may need work on behaviour and you never really know what your getting so may not be the best choice in this situation as dulces dad isnt the healthiest and with the existing dog could be a problem. Why raise the hopes of a poor dog then be dashed? A rescue dog may not be for everyone. Encouraging people to consider one is a noble feat, but go easy on people that decide not to take the advice. They've obviously done it for a reason and carrying on seems to be flogging a dead horse. Maybe go and try other people
2) Its not a dig at you dulce, but if the breeder doesn't want to do the best for the puppies by keeping them until they are ready it doesnt say much about the breeder does it? You might wonder why? I know the puppy will do your parents good. But if its healthier to stay with its mummy for longer surely your parents would prefer a happy and healthy dog?
I hope to not aggravate, but put a fresh thought into both your minds.
Just two things really
1) A rescue dog may need work on behaviour and you never really know what your getting so may not be the best choice in this situation as dulces dad isnt the healthiest and with the existing dog could be a problem. Why raise the hopes of a poor dog then be dashed? A rescue dog may not be for everyone. Encouraging people to consider one is a noble feat, but go easy on people that decide not to take the advice. They've obviously done it for a reason and carrying on seems to be flogging a dead horse. Maybe go and try other people
2) Its not a dig at you dulce, but if the breeder doesn't want to do the best for the puppies by keeping them until they are ready it doesnt say much about the breeder does it? You might wonder why? I know the puppy will do your parents good. But if its healthier to stay with its mummy for longer surely your parents would prefer a happy and healthy dog?
I hope to not aggravate, but put a fresh thought into both your minds.
LisaLQ
Fish Gatherer
Starting with congrats on the new pup. Didn't get to see the pic, as it's been removed but I'm sure he's a heartbreaker.
My views are much the same as Kathy's, thank god you weren't posting about greyhounds though cos I'd talk your ear off in no time
But just wanted to add - while people believe that poodles and poodle crosses dont shed, they do shed, just maybe not as much as some other breeds. And if someone's considering one for allergy reasons, then they shouldn't bother - as most people who are allergic to dogs are allergic to their dander.
So it's pretty much pointless. If someone's allergic to dogs, they should either choose a more suitable pet, or find another way around the problem (ie. bathing dog with allergy relief shampoo like Petalclense - spelling might be wrong, cant remember it properly). Even hairless dogs cause allergic reactions.
As for Dulce's parents situation, I'd think with so much going on (sorry to hear about your dad's illness btw) a pup might be a very big mistake. I'd personally go for an adult dog with lower erquirements (for exercise) such as a retired racing greyhound. Knew I'd get one in there somehow
Ps. Just to continue on that greyhound theme, greys dont moult as much as most other breeds. They do one big moult when coming out of the kennels, then they only moult once a year, from my experience.
My views are much the same as Kathy's, thank god you weren't posting about greyhounds though cos I'd talk your ear off in no time
But just wanted to add - while people believe that poodles and poodle crosses dont shed, they do shed, just maybe not as much as some other breeds. And if someone's considering one for allergy reasons, then they shouldn't bother - as most people who are allergic to dogs are allergic to their dander.
So it's pretty much pointless. If someone's allergic to dogs, they should either choose a more suitable pet, or find another way around the problem (ie. bathing dog with allergy relief shampoo like Petalclense - spelling might be wrong, cant remember it properly). Even hairless dogs cause allergic reactions.
As for Dulce's parents situation, I'd think with so much going on (sorry to hear about your dad's illness btw) a pup might be a very big mistake. I'd personally go for an adult dog with lower erquirements (for exercise) such as a retired racing greyhound. Knew I'd get one in there somehow
Ps. Just to continue on that greyhound theme, greys dont moult as much as most other breeds. They do one big moult when coming out of the kennels, then they only moult once a year, from my experience.
dulce
Fish Crazy
i do agree that rescuing is a great option but they did want a puppy dad could walk as he needs to walk every day and we have a couple of acres as a garden so exercise is not a problem plus my nephew wears our old german shepherd out !
I agree on the shedding, knowing our choc lab it simply cannot be a justified statement to say they wont and our german shepherd still moulds like mad so that also isnt a problem ! An dult dog would not be ok to introduced with our older one and they have a view to get more dogs as we have always had them running around with the hens and ducks !
They are delighted and so excited we made a trip to harrods yesterday and got him a collar with diamonte letters spelling Lenny ha ha so cute !
I agree on the shedding, knowing our choc lab it simply cannot be a justified statement to say they wont and our german shepherd still moulds like mad so that also isnt a problem ! An dult dog would not be ok to introduced with our older one and they have a view to get more dogs as we have always had them running around with the hens and ducks !
They are delighted and so excited we made a trip to harrods yesterday and got him a collar with diamonte letters spelling Lenny ha ha so cute !
JackDemp528
Fishaholic
Just please go to a rescue. So many people are breeding these designer dogs, or as I call them "glorified mutts" We just had one yesterday at my shelter. they're wonderful dogs, but like any other dog, the world needs no more. We have over 120 dogs right now at our shelter. They're all so unwanted.
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