Using Fish To Cycle

[carrera]

i really dont see how you can say an animal is 'built' to handle any level of ammonia. ammonia is highly toxic and is an irritant and i believe fish exposed to the cycling process would be much worse off than those not. fish that manage to live through the cycling process have shown to be more prone to illness and disease and have shorter lifespans.

i dont think fishless cycling has taken hold because people want to 'be good'. if that is the case, do you not want to be a good person?

i fail to see the point of cycling with fish when a fishless cycle is possible, unless its simply impatience and a "but i want them now, mummy!" attitude.

please, if i am wrong, enlighten me to the benefits of cycling with fish, over doing a fishless cycle, other than being able to look at fish right away.

 

[nshockeyplaya]

You can call me stupborn all you want if I don't take your advice, I really don't care. I don't value your opinion anyways.

Okay then continue on in this world as an idiot. What the #### do i care? I dont

Really, fish cycling causes little or no damage if you use the right fish for the job. Platies, Danios, and most other cyprinids, livebearers, and cichlids work very well. These animals are built to handle a slight raise of ammonia and it will not hurt them.

The "ethics" of fishless cycling appeared overnight and have appeared to take hold. This is because it is a common human emotion; wanting to be a good person. Trust me, buddy, some people will do anything, real or in this case, imagined to try to feel like a good person.

I have never tried a fishless cycle, and will probably stick to this habit unless I want a tank full of pipefish or something. Fishless cycles are a good choice though; just by no means neccessary or more effective than a fish cycle.

-Lynden

Your completely wrong to say the least. Scientists who have studied fish behaviors and also chemists have studied the effects of ammonia and it is statsically and physically proven to be harmful to all tropical fish. I dont know where you are getting your information, but i do know that it is incorrect. Do some research or keep doing fish cycling blind from the more reasonable choice.

 

[vancouver]

you need to grow up ''playa''.. don't even bother posting here anymore.

I've never done a fishless cycle.. Why would I start trying on a 75g tank? It just doesn't make sense.. If I want to try it, I'll try it on a 10g tank, as it's easy to clean if I mess something up.. I spent 2.5 hours cleaning out my 75g.. I'm not doing that again if I don't have to.

I don't mind people advising to go with fishless cycling, there's just no need to bash someone because they don't do things the way you do.. That's so immature and dorky it's just plain sad.

I've never had problems cycling a tank with fish before, I just wanted other opinions on which fish to use.. I ended up going with giant danios, as they were the healthiest in the store. They were 3x the price, but I'd rather have a fish that I'm certain is going to survive. The serpaes and zebra danios were really weak looking, so I didn't think they'd handle the cycle.


Thanks again to those of you that offered your opinions in a mature manor.

 

[nshockeyplaya]

you need to grow up ''playa''.. don't even bother posting here anymore.

I've never done a fishless cycle.. Why would I start trying on a 75g tank? It just doesn't make sense.. If I want to try it, I'll try it on a 10g tank, as it's easy to clean if I mess something up.. I spent 2.5 hours cleaning out my 75g.. I'm not doing that again if I don't have to.

I don't mind people advising to go with fishless cycling, there's just no need to bash someone because they don't do things the way you do.. That's so immature and dorky it's just plain sad.

I've never had problems cycling a tank with fish before, I just wanted other opinions on which fish to use.. I ended up going with giant danios, as they were the healthiest in the store. They were 3x the price, but I'd rather have a fish that I'm certain is going to survive. The serpaes and zebra danios were really weak looking, so I didn't think they'd handle the cycle.


Thanks again to those of you that offered your opinions in a mature manor.

Haha wow calling me immature. Seriously man i dont give a damn what you do. You dont tell me not to post here anymore. Ive been here longer than you and i have more respect than you. You dont ever talk to me like that. Oh and dude the thing about the fishless cycle, if you screw up theres nothing to clean up so what are you talking about. Also the tank size is irrelevant smart one. You want to tell me to grow up? Go ahead im telling you what the truth is about cycling and you are the immature to one to not listen. How about you leave this forum, and you dont tell me to grow up. you got a problem then dont make this a public issue, adress me personally.

 

[vancouver]

grow up. don't post here.

 

[nshockeyplaya]

Nice arguement what are two years old. Leave the forum peace. Post in the beginners section

 

[Spader]

can we stop? to each their own jeeze....

 

[ScoutCarcer]

Really, fish cycling causes little or no damage if you use the right fish for the job. Platies, Danios, and most other cyprinids, livebearers, and cichlids work very well. These animals are built to handle a slight raise of ammonia and it will not hurt them.

The "ethics" of fishless cycling appeared overnight and have appeared to take hold. This is because it is a common human emotion; wanting to be a good person. Trust me, buddy, some people will do anything, real or in this case, imagined to try to feel like a good person.

I have never tried a fishless cycle, and will probably stick to this habit unless I want a tank full of pipefish or something. Fishless cycles are a good choice though; just by no means neccessary or more effective than a fish cycle.

-Lynden

You can call me stupborn all you want if I don't take your advice, I really don't care. I don't value your opinion anyways.

Okay then continue on in this world as an idiot. What the #### do i care? I dont

Really, fish cycling causes little or no damage if you use the right fish for the job. Platies, Danios, and most other cyprinids, livebearers, and cichlids work very well. These animals are built to handle a slight raise of ammonia and it will not hurt them.

The "ethics" of fishless cycling appeared overnight and have appeared to take hold. This is because it is a common human emotion; wanting to be a good person. Trust me, buddy, some people will do anything, real or in this case, imagined to try to feel like a good person.

I have never tried a fishless cycle, and will probably stick to this habit unless I want a tank full of pipefish or something. Fishless cycles are a good choice though; just by no means neccessary or more effective than a fish cycle.

-Lynden

Your completely wrong to say the least. Scientists who have studied fish behaviors and also chemists have studied the effects of ammonia and it is statsically and physically proven to be harmful to all tropical fish. I dont know where you are getting your information, but i do know that it is incorrect. Do some research or keep doing fish cycling blind from the more reasonable choice.

Science isnt always right if a fish can handle it a fish can handle it and some fish can handle it so both cycles are fine its just vancouvers choice which way he wants to cycle

 

[vancouver]

It doesn't matter anymore. I chose giant danios, they are in the tank right now.

Again, thanks to those of you that have posted in a mature, respectable fashion.

 

[Spader]

np and good job sticking with what u believed

 

[carrera]

like i said, i dont see the point myself. while i agree it is your hobby, your fish and in the end, your choice, still no one has come up with any pros for cycling with fish, or cons for fishless cycling.

i could list a handful of pros for fishless cycling and cons for fish cycling. so, other than the fact that you get to look at fish right away, i still dont understand why anyone would dismiss a fishless cycle just because you've never done one before.

 

[vancouver]

I'm not going to try something I've never done before on a tank that big. I spent 2 and a half hours cleaning everything in that tank. I don't want to have to do it again if I mess something up. I don't see why that's so hard to understand. When I do decide to try a fishless cycle, I will do it with a 10g tank. Changing all the water in a 10g tank takes maybe 5 minutes, while a 75g takes more like 30 minutes. I'm not even sure how to do a fishless cycle.

It has nothing to do with me wanting fish in there right away, I'd just rather do it in a way I know will work.

I understand that you've done fishless cycling before, and you're confident you know how to do it. I'm not, and I'm not going to try it for the first time on the biggest tank I have.

There's nothing more to say.

 

[SamUK]

I'm not going to try something I've never done before on a tank that big. I spent 2 and a half hours cleaning everything in that tank. I don't want to have to do it again if I mess something up. I don't see why that's so hard to understand.

i dont see how that has anything to do with what there saying.

youve been told fishless cycling doesnt matter about tank size and u wont need to clean it again so theres your 2 big worrys gone straight away.

i dont think you understand what fishless cycling is and thats why we hav a problem. theres pinned threads with al the info u need and beginners can follow it so im sure you can!

your tank tho as has been sed and youve already bought the fish so its too late i guess.



having sed all that tho i think nshockeyplaya could of sed it a bit nicer .

 

[vancouver]

If I add too much ammonia, I won't have to clean the tank?

I do believe I would have to. Which I don't want to do.

 

[soritan]

If I add too much ammonia, I won't have to clean the tank?

I do believe I would have to. Which I don't want to do.

I didn't want to add to this train wreck of a topic, but... if you have fish in there, you have to clean up feces and left over food anyways, I'm not sure what the difference is?


It's actually very hard to add too much ammonia. I think if I ever added too much ammonia to my tank, I'd probably only change out a percentage of the water, like I would if fish were there, and then whip out my ammonia kit and bring it to proper levels.

I do beleive it's your call how your tank is cycled, because frankly a tank will cycle itself in due time. I personally wouldn't do that, and not simply because it's kinder to livestock. It's a far more precise to do fishless cycling, you can add all the fish at once (versus a little at a time over a long period of time). During the fishless cycle, I also decorate my tank and set up plants and whatnot.

You said in your initial post that your tank is seeded, which definately helps. How much you seed it, may I ask?

*edit, spelling.