Update On Bubbles

If it's possible, please refrain from using chemicals and or medicines (which alot are not natural). The fish most likely wouldn't like it. I used to have many gold fish, and I had to use meds with them, they didn't make it :-( but the one that lasted longest was the one we tried organic mixes with. Try to use meds with your fish on a last resort?

~ze archer :fish:
 
[If his tail is disappearing as fast as you mentioned in your other post, it's definitely a severe case of fin rot and the M and M2 are the right way to go. He will still lose some fin for a couple of days until the meds stop all the bacteria. It's hard to watch and wait as his fins disappear, but M and M2 are the best things to catch 99.99% of any bacteria that cause this. I've never seen them make a fish worse, but occasionally they are too late or not strong enough to cure the betta.

We're going through a case of this right now. Wally had a spot on his tail on day and within a day and a half, his tail was half gone. He was a very sick fish - just laying on the bottom except to come up for air. After one full course of M and M2 he is eating well and back at the top of his water, but still not swimming too well. He is on his second treatment now (3 days into it) and you can see some signs of new growth on his fins. Once he is done with this round of meds, he'll go on a maintenance dose of Bettafix for a long time.

Bettas are pretty tough fish, but they really can't handle stress. Ours got sick when we added a filter which created current and removed all the Bettafix maintenance dose from his water with its carbon filter pad (not a smart move on our part!) Some bettas do well with filters, bubblers, etc. and some do not. Temperature is another critical part for a betta. Too much temperature change will stress the out. A small heater with a precise thermostat is a must even for small tanks. Younger bettas seem to handle changes better than older ones (just like people.)

Despite all the "experts" out there, this is what I've found with our betta:

1. Use M and M2 at the first sign of fin rot.
2. Bettafix, Melafix, and Pimafix are great for maintenance dosage and small, mild, slow-spreading fin rot, not rapid moving fin rot.
3. Clean water is a must, but changing water alone will not cure severe or advanced fin rot.
4. Aquarium salt, BettaSpa, and similar additives will help keep your betta healthy, but will not cure infection.
5. Bettas usually don't like currents so filters are not a good idea on small tanks. Frequent water changes are much better.
6. Temperature is critical and should be precisely regulated at 75F to 82F.
7. There are a million companies selling a million different "cures" and "magical elixers" but they all just want to make a profit.
8. Most local fish stores don't have a clue about bettas (they're not a major money maker for the stores.)
9. Above all, use common sense. Trust your instincts and do what you think is right for your betta.
10. Sadly, bettas don't live forever (average is 2-3 years, especially for LPS bettas) so no matter how hard you try, you won't be able to cure everything.
11. You can feel glad that you did give your betta a better, longer life in a loving environment for whatever length of time you have him as opposed to him dieing in some small bowl/cup, neglected on some pet store's shelf!

I really appreciate the time you took with this response... I'm learning a lot from this forum, and I'm so grateful I found this place! Bubbles is still active and eating well. His fins don't look any worse than they did after that first dose of M and M2, thank goodness. Actually, it looks like the white-ish thread-like things have disappeared. I'm taking this as a good sign!

You know, I'm glad you included #9 up there. I initially posted on another forum and was told the crimping at the ends of his fins was normal! But something just kept nagging at me, so I kept asking for other opinions. I'm also glad I didn't do what the fish store told me to do - stop the M and M2 and just give Bettafix. I'm feeling a lot more positive about the situation, and I really believe I'm doing the right thing, now. I just hope it's not too late!

I'll keep everyone posted!
 
If it's possible, please refrain from using chemicals and or medicines (which alot are not natural). The fish most likely wouldn't like it. I used to have many gold fish, and I had to use meds with them, they didn't make it :-( but the one that lasted longest was the one we tried organic mixes with. Try to use meds with your fish on a last resort?~ze archer :fish:
When half his fins are gone in 1-2 days, it's time for drastic measures (and STRONG medicine!)
 
This morning Bubbles is still active and eating as greedily as ever. I noticed he's hanging out more on the leaves of his silk plant, resting near the top of the water, but he doesn't appear distressed by any means. His fins don't appear to be getting worse, either.

The tank, however, looks disgusting! All the cottony stuff that was hanging off his fins is now just floating in the water and coating the pebbles on the bottom of the tank. Tonight is day 5 of the M and M2, and tomorrow I'll do a 100% water change and start a second round. Is there anything specific I should be doing to clean the pebbles, heater, thermometer and silk plant that are now all covered in fuzz?
 
Make sure you rinse it very well. Since I have extra of about everything I would put different everything back in the bowl and soak the stuff in a weak solution of bleach and rinse it very well. Let it set for several days and rinse it again before putting away or using it. I have found that if I let my fish sit in the morning sun 10 to 20 minutes a day their fins seem to grow back faster, I don't know if anyone found that or not. I don't let them sun themselves to long because it warms up the water.
 
This morning Bubbles is still active and eating as greedily as ever. I noticed he's hanging out more on the leaves of his silk plant, resting near the top of the water, but he doesn't appear distressed by any means. His fins don't appear to be getting worse, either.

The tank, however, looks disgusting! All the cottony stuff that was hanging off his fins is now just floating in the water and coating the pebbles on the bottom of the tank. Tonight is day 5 of the M and M2, and tomorrow I'll do a 100% water change and start a second round. Is there anything specific I should be doing to clean the pebbles, heater, thermometer and silk plant that are now all covered in fuzz?

Yeah, the tank water does get pretty gross looking and very cloudy with the 2 M's. Just clean everything (rocks, plants, tank, heater, etc.) with very hot water and a clean sponge or soft bristle brush for the plants. There shouldn't be any bacteria growing on the plants since they have been soaking in a strong antibiotic solution in his tank. If you want to sterilize his brush or sponge after cleaning, pop them in a plastic bag and put them in the Microwave while they are still wet for 25-30 seconds until you see the bag start to expand with steam inside. Be careful when you take them out as they will be HOT! Never do this with dry or barely damp sponges as they may catch fire.

You probably can see pieces of his lost fins, but the great news is that he is eating well and his fins aren't getting worse - both are good signs that he is on the way to recovery! You will probably soon notice (if you haven't already) that the ends of his fins are developing a clear of cloudy "membrane-like" growth on them. This is new fin re-growth.

Sometimes bettas with damaged fins will rest near the surface since it's harder for them to swim with damaged fins. They also seem to do this more when their tank is full of the 2 M's.

Now that he has come this far, it's up to you as to whether you want to do another full course of M and M2. You could do them at half strength, or switch to Bettafix to help with re-growth and prevent further infection (I usually do this at half dose.) Just be sure to watch him in case the infection should spread again. If that should happen, immediately change his water and hit him with M and M2 again.

From everything you have said in your post, it sounds like you did a great job of catching the fin rot in time and saving the little guy a lot of misery! Good going!!
 
I want to thank everyone on this board who's taken the time to educate me on this subject. I'm so grateful and happy to report that Bubbles is doing really well after his 5-day course of Maracyn and Maracyn 2, and 7 day-course of Bettafix. He seems happier than ever, and his fins are already starting to grow back! It's time now for me to do another water change, and I'm wondering if it's safe to keep using the Bettafix. I've heard some people say they use it at half-strength until the fins completely heal.

Any advice on this?

:)
 

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