Turns Out That Glofish Pics Arent Doctored

It's not cruel.
It's not unnecessary.

It's a scientific tool that just happens to have found a market in the aquarium trade.

If you don't like them, don't buy them. But direct your anger towards the people who deserve it. The people that dye fish are an obviously good target. But so are the unscrupulous breeders that are badly diluting the gene pool of many species... or those who catch rare or endangered fish in the wild for profit.

My $0.02 at least...
 
These are no more than a color morphs of a danio species, there's nothing wrong with keeping albino cories, or electric blue dempseys is there, because those are color morphs too, maybe not created by adding DNA to the animals, but since none of those fish feel the pain of their coloration, its not really bad.
I think the glowing color is a bit odd, but interesting all the same :)
 
why is this in tropical chit chat?
by definition they are hybrids and should be sent there.

I'm saying nothing on these fish, those that know me, know my views!
 
Hybrid?
Isn't the definition of a hybrid a fish that is the out come of a spawn of two different species of fish?
So how are these hybrids?

DD
 
why is this in tropical chit chat?
by definition they are hybrids and should be sent there.
No they're not? :blink:
I was under the impression that they were just zebra danios, right? Unless the base fish the gene is added to is a hybrid, then GloFish are not hybrids... They are genetically modified with jellyfish gene, not a true hybrid between a jellyfish and a danio (which would, of course, be impossible).

Personally, though I think mass-producing them for the pet market is unnecessary, I would by far rather have genetically modified fish than dyed ones!! If we're going to have unnaturally-coloured fish at all, then genetically modifying them to achieve the wanted effect is thousands of times more humane than dying them. I think of it as a compromise :thumbs:
 
Hybrid?
Isn't the definition of a hybrid a fish that is the out come of a spawn of two different species of fish?

Hybrid; an organism that is the offspring of genetically dissimilar parents or stock; especially offspring produced by breeding plants or animals of different varieties or breeds or species; "a mule is a cross between a horse and a donkey"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

In biology, hybrid has three meanings. * The first meaning is either the offspring of two different species, or of two different genera. * The second meaning of "hybrid" is crosses between populations or cultivars ("cultivated varieties") of a single species. This second meaning is often used in plant breeding. ** Hybrids between species of the same genus are sometimes known as interspecific hybrids or crosses. ** Hybrids between different genera are sometimes known as intergeneric hybrids. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid

As Glowfish(tm) have fish and jellyfish DNA they are by definition a hybrid, period!
 
i dont think at all that this is cruel... it dosent hurt them and there arent baad side affects.. to them they are just normal fish in their true colours... theres no needle or chemical ever involved so i dont see why this is cruel... i myself like the little guys... they would be a cool night light... i big tank with lots of alien fish swirling around in the dary would be SWEET... and it wouldnt bother them, cause the reason jellys have those lights in the first place is to be able to see... so since those genes are in the danios, i suppose they use them for that to! :)
 
There are many, many worse things done to fish and animals in general than this. As some members have stated, I'd prefer these genetically modified fish to many of the other nightmarish acts committed on animals. Compared to the dyeing process alone, these fish have a incredibly high survival rate and as far as I know, zero harmful side effects.

"Genetically modified" is the new scare term that freaks everyone out and most people don't understand it or the positive implications. They just know it's "bad" and that's about it. The very idea is an abomination yet we've been genetically modifying, hybrdizing and improving on animals since we could figure out how. This isn't new. The technique is but the idea and concept are as old as civilization itself.

Genetic modification is the future. Like it, hate, it, you have no choice but to accept it. This kind of technology has as many useful practices as it does malicious ones but most people see glowing fish as a sign of impending doom or "pollution" of genetic strains. Ironic as hybridization is one of the key fundamentals of evolutionary success.

Of course a jellyfish and a danio would never crossbreed, but then there are many things that were never meant to be that have proven quite positive in their outcome with gentical modification.

Before you start ranting and raving over it's evils and how it will destroy the "pure" populations, you should see what pure-breeding a species in a closed genetic pool does to the offspring over an extended period of time. Going too far in either direction is going to be the death of a species.
 
I totally agree with Teelie here, and some of the others.
I think it's kind of funny when people are afraid of genetic manipulation, considering that newer methods are actually more likely to result in what we want and less likely to result in something we don't want. I had a teacher i used to argue with about this sort of thing and when he said some people with nut allergies couldn't eat some kinds of GM corn because it had almond genes, I thought, well that is something to be concerned about, but it's the about first real problem i've heard of.
As for the glofish, well I think I saw some on TV a long time ago, but I had the idea thay were giant danios for some reason, maybe I just thought they'd look neat glowing. Anyway, what annoyed me is that they said they were illegal in California, and I wanted some. I don't think there's anything dangerous about them. It is true that there are already too many varieties to choose from, but I don't think that's a good reason to limit new frontiers. I've never bought a "painted glass fish", but I did think they looked neat before I learned how they are created and decided not to support the practice of dying by buying them. (by the way, I don't know if I should ask here, but are the "mixed fruit tetras" a similar thing?)
Anyway, I think of this glow gene as being a little more like in vitro fertilization, or test tube babies. I can appreciate people not liking the idea, but personnally, it doesn't bother me. I think we're more sensitive with animals, or species we can almost relate to. I haven't seen as much concern about breeding unnatural plants. I have heard of mice that were given glow genes for scientific or medical research reasons, and I understand concern about animal research, but it can help people. I believe that's how we got bald rodents too. They're interesting, but I do like fur.
I probably shouldn't even get into the debate over whether they are hybrids or not. I always thought of hybrids as having aproximately equal parts of 2 related species, but I think I was looking for this topic on the hybrid forum when I first heard about the critters. I was thinking of the proposed cure for cystic fibrosis in humans, which would involve grafting healthier genes onto a virus that would spilce the genes into the sick people when they breathe it in. Last I heard they had not tried it on any humans, but I was wondering if they could be called hybrids. I wouldn't say so, but that's a little different anyway. I think the genes they want to graft in are human, but maybe you would say the carrier virus is a hybrid with human genes. It's definitely wierd to think about, but I think practicing and studying this sort of thing will ultimately lead to real benefits as well as some fun side effects. Yes glofish are unnecesary, but so is ice cream, and everyone likes ice cream, according to a song I heard on a Sesame Street reccord. :nod:
 
As Glowfish(tm) have fish and jellyfish DNA they are by definition a hybrid, period!

Just for the sake of clarity, the technique used to create glofish is called "genetic engineering" or "genetic modification" (as SirMinion, Synirr, Teelie, and Guppler wrote above). These fish weren't created through breeding.

Hybridization refers to a breeding-dependent technique.

From wikipedia:

Genetic engineering, genetic modification (GM), and the now-deprecated gene splicing are terms for the process of manipulating genes in an organism, usually outside the organism's normal reproductive process.
 
It most certianlyis a conversation peice....I'd rather stick to natural fish....Pirahnas....
 
It isn't just about glow fish though.

Where is the internationally regulatory framework within which these genetic engineers work? There isn't one! Doesn't that worry anyone?!

These companies do whatever they want (and don't quote local, regional, or national, legislation because there is always someone, somewhere, willing to fcuk with nature outside of these boundaries- as illustrate perfectly with glofish).

What happens when a genetically engineered fish gets out into the environment and disposes of it's natural ancestors through natural selection because it attracts it's usual prey for example? Then when it falls foul of a genetic trip wire (disease, seasonal predator, change in food source, whatever) only x% of native fish (but none of the genetically indiverse newcomers) would survive? The species dies out. What happens to the food chain?

Consider tests on GM crops. So they make the seeds 25% larger increasing productivity. But what else? Increased susceptibility to parasites possibly. So they make them 50% less tasty to parasites. So? They produce 200% more of a little known cumulative toxin. Do they? Might they? Do you know they don't?!

Does anyone know the ramifications of this sort of technology? No! Genetic engineering can be responsible for major meddling in a natural habitat.

But they do these tests in controlled environments, don't they? Do they b0ll0(ks! they put a 500M clean zone around the field, yet evidence of cross pollination is apparent 50Km away! I exaggerate for effect, but the point is there.

People are not taught to consider the dangers as well as the benefits involved in meddling in genetic modification, the subject has become passé.

In my view, any genetically engineered animals OR plants, should be engineered infertile.
 

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