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kimmie

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I have got one small tank no filter for breeding tank heater(light) near tank.
I have kept bettas for a while now.And have tryed to breed them 2 times but have failed both times once i lost most of them because the tank went all green and fuzzy.The second time the temp in the tank went to high i think? but when i looked in the tank they were all dead. Is there anyone out there who has had succes with raising the betta fry beyond two weeks. If so i would appreciate any advice from you.
kind of food to feed,temp of tank,best way to remove male,best way to clean tank?
 
Hi, and welcome to the forum. I'm not to familiar with bettas but i've bred several other fish. But i noticed that you asked about cleaning the tank and you haven't raised them past two weeks. How small is your tank? Fry can be very sensitive to water changes and i'm wondering if that might be why. Did they start dying after a water change because smaller tanks aren't as stable and the water parameters could have easily been changed enough for them to die. Sorry not to be of more help my main area of knowledge is cichlids. But don't worry theres plenty of Betta people in this forum I'm sure one can be of more help than me. Don't give up though, Hope you have better luck next time! :D

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I've bred and raised hundreds of bettas without too many problems. I always use at least a 5 gal. tank for breeding and never breed in the same tank the betta live in. The breeding tank is first clean thoroughly, never reuse the same water as a previous breeding. Only fill the tank with 4-5" of dechlorinated clean water, adjust the heat so it is stable (betw. 80-82 degrees) and I put in aquarium salt and blackwater extract. No filtering, nothing to disturb the water. Make sure anything you put into the tank is sterile so no bad stuff gets introduced. If you don't have a lid for the tank, stretch plastic food wrap on it to keep the evaporation down, keep the drafts out and keep the temp stable. Make sure the breeders are in completely great health and that you've been doing the high-protein, live or frozen food twice-daily feedings. Make sure there is a halved styrofoam cup or cattapa leaf floating in there so the male has somewhere to build his nest. Put him in when all is ready and give him at least a few days to get used to the big space and to establish his territory, start a nest, overcome his fear. Then put in a clear smaller tank or tube with the female--you want them to be able to see each other but not to be able to touch each other. Let them flare and dance for each other for a day or two while ocntinuing to feed them twice daily. Then release the female but keep a constant vigil (don't go off to school or work or out shopping--you need to be there if things get too ugly). They'll chase around a lot--sometimes for a couple of days (there should be sufficient hiding places for the fish). When the female is ready, she'll begin hanging out under the nest, eventually allowing the male to get close to her. When she's ready to mate, she'll either nudge him (gently) or he'll nudge her and she won't run away. (Don't leave the pair unattended or you could come back to torn up or dead fish, confine the female in her clean tube if you can't be there). If after a couple of days they never reach this point, remove both fish, recondition them and start all over with a clean tank. If the do show signs of wanting each other, they'll soon figure out how to embrace--and this takes practice so be real real patient. She probably won't start releasing eggs for awhile but they will go through the embrace thing. Once she has emptied, she'll move off and look kind of exhausted. She may help pick up eggs and spit them into the bubbles. Remove her and let her rest back in an isolated, clean tank for a few days to recouperate--feed her if she's hungry. The male will pick up the eggs (usually) and spit them into the bubbles and patrol the breeding tank for the next few days, sometimes rearranging the eggs. If the eggs are viable, newborn babies will start hatching between 24-72 hours and dad will try to keep them in the nest. By the third day, most or all of the eggs will have hatched and the babies will be swimming and floating all on their own. Take dad out and into a clean tank for rest and recoup. Babies will live off their egg sac for a couple of days after hatching. If you use live plants in your tank, there will probably be microscopic life the babies will eat but you can put 1 (one) drop of Liqufry in each day if you want. DO NOT OVERFEED because bacteria blooms fast and can kill your babies. Start dropping in vinegar eels (amount depends on how many fry you have) once in the morning and once at night on day 4 after hatching through about day 7. You can continue to drop in vinegar eels but also use microworms (do the early feeding with one, the late feeding with the other). By about day 8-9, you can stop the vinegar eels but continue the microworms, and start feeding newly hatched brine shrimp (but continue also feeding microworms)--only as much as the babies will consume within 5 minutes or you'll pollute your tank and the babies may develop swim bladder problems. They can eat micros and bbs until they get big enough for grindal worms and bigger brine shrimp and daphnia. Then it's just a matter of feeding them food that they can easily get in their mouths and swallow (without choking).

Don't clean the breeding tank until the newborns are about 2 weeks old--during courtship, you can suck out any gunk collecting at the bottom but try to disturb your fish as little as possible. You can add more water at the same temp as the tank water (since you only had 4-5" of water to begin with) if necessary (if it begins to look cloudy) but if it gets REAL cloudy, you will have to start doing water changes, means you've overfed and the bacteria has bloomed. My breeding tanks stay clear for many weeks but I boil all my water and let it cool before using in my tanks and I only start siphoning the gunk on the floor after the babies are 2-3 weeks old. At 3 weeks, I transfer them all to another tank which has been already set up and has had an aged sponge filter going in it for at least a week. At this point, I do a head count. And I just continue to feed them twice daily with food appropriate to their size, start doing weekly cleanings. They grow fast. I have never had any trouble with fungus or bacteria or parasites in my baby tanks (and seldom in my adults). The biggest problem I have is finding new homes for them when they are grown. Hope this helps. You can read up on how to breed and raise bettas in a lot of the know breeder sites.
 
Couldn't give just a partial, simple answer because, obviously, the person didn't bothered to do the research before the fact.
 
question on betta fry- how prolific are they?

I worried that if I did succeed, and they made it... what the heck would I do with the kids... sell them off?
 
It's good to hear you ask that question before doing a breeding because most people don't consider that until it's too late and their grown babies start dying from overcrowding.

That's it, what will you do with the babies since, if allowed to, one spawn can produce hundreds (and I've heard a few that have more than a thousand) babies. This is just one spawn. Of course, in the wild, betta fry get easily and quickly gobbled up so they have to produce a lot in hopes that a few will make it.

You can check out your local fish stores and local pet stores to first see how they care for their fish (bettas specifically since bettas need individual care) and then to see if they'd buy or at least take bettas from you when you're ready--but unless you get a contract, there is no guarantee when the time actually comes. Some people give their grown babies away to nursing homes and/or schools but you'd have to make sure to give lessons on betta care or you're setting your fish up to die horrible deaths. You can sell them on your website or on Aquabid or Bettabids or Savagebids (and have to deal with non-payments, dissatisfied buyers, shipping). Just consider the bigger picture--selling your babies to someone you don't know may have you babies end up in sucking lily-vases. Giving them away to a store that doesn't keep betta in humane conditions might be a worse death than euthanizing your brood yourself. If you have small spawns, you might be able to keep them all but eventually you'll have too many fish and have to either stop breeding or figure something out. Don't just assume friends and family will adopt all your fish.
 

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