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would it help when using salt to treat fish by adding treatment for chloromines ect to the water first...???
when salt dissolves it forms Na ions and cl ions ...
just talking about chlorine firstly it forms chlorine gas you can smell it but it may also form chloro-mines which is ammonium chloride and also the chlorinates side which are oxidation states starting with the acid hypo-chlorite +1 or as chloride -1 which is safe.
i know chloro-mines can be stopped with activated carbon.. but i don't think the other side is the same and since chlorine is a disinfectant wouldn't salt kill beneficial bacteria as opposed to just adding sodium .. ?
now for sodium what does it do as a medicine ?
and also chlorine's are also regulated by the kidneys and cause damage.....!!!!
i image that treating bacterial infections chlorine would be the definite need. instead of sodium... just a little confused at the aim and goal....!!!
 
would it help when using salt to treat fish by adding treatment for chloromines ect to the water first...???
I don't understand the sentence. Are you asking if we should be treating the tank with chloramine, or are you asking if we should be removing chloramine?

Any new water that gets added to an aquarium with fish and other aquatic life should be free of chlorine/ chloramine before it is added to the tank.

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In freshwater, salt (sodium chloride) that is added at a high enough level will kill some types of bacteria, fungus & protozoans. It doesn't kill all species but it can kill large numbers of unwanted disease organisms if there is sufficient salt in the water. The reduction of these disease organisms can give the fish a chance to heal itself assuming the water is clean and the fish is in reasonable condition to begin with.

If the salt levels are too high you can kill plants and harm the fish. Fishes that naturally occur in pure freshwater are more prone to kidney damage caused by high levels of salt compared to fishes that occur in hard water or brackish water. This is due to the smaller kidney size of fishes found in pure fresh water vs fishes found in hard, brackish and sea water. There are other issues associated with high levels of salt being used on fishes from pure fresh water as well but the main damage is done to the kidneys.

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Beneficial filter bacteria that has been in a filter for a couple of months will be living in a biofilm, which is like a thin layer of slime consisting of bacteria, yeast, viruses, fungus and all sorts of microscopic organisms. This biofilm acts as a barrier and protects the bacteria and other micro-organisms from external forces that might affect them. This includes salt and chlorine.

The beneficial bacteria living in an established aquarium filter can tolerate chlorine/ chloramine when being washed under tap water. That is to say, if you have an established filter and wash the filter material under tap water, some of the bacteria will survive. And there has been research done that shows most of the filter bacteria survives being washed under tap water where it is exposed to chlorine and chloramine in the water. This is due to the biofilm protecting them and also depends on how thoroughly the filter material is washed. A quick rinse might get rid of some gunk and the biofilm will remain largely intact. However, if you scrub the filter media and wash it repeatedly for an extended period of time (5 minutes or more), then you will remove most or all of the biofilm and the bacteria will be washed away with that. Some bacteria will remain on the filter media and might survive the chlorine/ chloramine in the water.

That doesn't mean we should be washing filter materials under tap water because prolonged exposure to the levels of chlorine or chloramine in tap water will eventually kill the filter bacteria. But the filter bacteria can tolerate the chlorine/ chloramine levels in the tap water for a couple of minutes.

When salt is added to an aquarium to treat fish diseases, the sodium & chloride levels in the water will be relatively low and don't affect the filter bacteria due to being low levels and due to the biofilm.

There are also numerous species of beneficial filter bacteria and some live in fresh water, others live in brackish water and more species live in sea water. Some of the fresh and brackish water species are highly adaptable and can tolerate lots of salt.

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The reason I recommend salt for some diseases is because it is much safer for the fish and doesn't leave residual chemicals in their bodies. This is particularly important in aquaculture when growing food fishes for human consumption. There are strict requirements when it comes to treating commercially raised food fishes for the market and most common aquarium remedies are not allowed to be used.

Some medications like Malachite Green are readily found in normal fish medications and this substance is carcinogenic. Many chemicals used in fish medications get stored in the fish and build up in quantity. This can lead to animals/ people ingesting unknown quantities of potentially harmful and even dangerous chemicals if they eat these fish. Salt (sodium chloride) does not have any of these problems and is considered safe to use on fishes cultured for human consumption.
 
I don't understand the sentence. Are you asking if we should be treating the tank with chloramine, or are you asking if we should be removing chloramine?
when treating a tank with salt should we put the salt into a bucket of water and then add a treatment for chloramines before adding it to the tank ,, then when chlorine mixes with any ammonia that forms in the tank.. the chlorine that forms chloromines would be nullified into chloride …
also you could use activated carbon...
I have read a bit since posting also about calcium chloride which is used in pools .. I still think that the chloride is the active ingredient in this medicine.
it seems it may be a good idea to have activated carbon before your benifical bacteria.
and also not taking out activated carbon when treating with salt.
I also doubt that using chlorine would be an effective treatment rather chloride and its ability to oxidise...
 
I am fairly sure that I have ich in my tank , since I changed tanks I havnt used a heater yet and my temperature is down to about 25^c I will show I picture if they are still there when I get home tonight or tomorrow, I seen them sitting on the glass brace inside the tank and was wondering what they were..
it is also from using untreated water I bet..
I read about treatments malachite green and methelene blue , malachite green was banned in the us back in 1983 from causing cancer , I have been researching KORDON products , both state they are using it for a chloride salt but I don't think this is it, malachite green forms and alcohol when mixed with water and this is what enters a cell ,,and gives you the ability to say, use it as a dye.. basically in yeast cells the cells that die turn blue ,these are able to resist the damage caused by the compound and the ones that survive don't get dyed ,, it,s this damage of this alcohol that kills bacteria and not the wasted chloride as it turns into hcl… it is more effective with formaldehyde I think partly from reducing oxygen ,which is a life force and also partly just like sodium it changes water cosmetics to be less favourable...
also includes a product povidone which aids in cell bonding.. passing into cells and glycol which is a lubricative reduces bonding ( in can clear your chest of mucas..) but is basically only good in gas in the water. don't know how .. but these makes it no good for invertebrates...
methelene blue has no info and says is outdated....

next was copper no good for invertabrates.

and I havnt studied the fluorines yet.. iodine namely...

my tank is basically to hard to remove the fish or the tank decorations ,,, but I want to treat the tank in the 3 days when these things are most easily killed... When the spots I seen on the glass hatch...
I havn't added any salt to this aquarium yet only baking soda..
I want to keep my invertabrates…

so Heat.., chlorine( don't know much about it[salt]), or malachite green( if I wanna risk giving the fish and me cancer)..

what should I do , do I have any other options...????
 
Whitespot parasites do not attach to the glass so if you have white dots on the glass it is not whitespot (Ichthyophthirius).

If you do get whitespot in the tank (it will only be on the fish), simply use an aquarium heater to raise the temperature to 30C and keep it there for 2 weeks. Then bring the temperature back down. Increase aeration whenever you raise the temperature or use chemicals in the water to maximise oxygen levels.
 
Whitespot parasites do not attach to the glass so if you have white dots on the glass it is not whitespot
The fall of !!! become an egg !! they are on the inside brace it,s like floor..
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it,s called the tomont stage , I just read they do attach to things at this stage... they fall off leaving cysts ect then form a jelly like substance and multiply , the jelly is impenetrable to treatments.. but they hatch and become free swimming this is the best time to treat or try kill them ...but it lasts only three days … if they infect the fish they are still somewhat impenetrable...
Thanks for the heat advice Colin_T, I knew I could count on you for an opinion......
 

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