Thinking Of Getting A Pair Of These Red Eye Blood Swords

[divisible by zero]

you're coming off just as immature

Which one who's immature? Me or BlueBettaUsa? I don't mean to be negative but its true.

you. he obviously knows something, and what were you basing his knowledge on, post count?

 

[Butch]

Jollysue, didn't you read all in red eyed blood swordtails in aquabid? Yeah they are XL. You don't know the sellers very well, I do knew them very well. They post the swordtails on aquabid then you paid them for the fish, they sent you very small, sickly or wrong kind of fish. They always do that to every buyers.

Divisible by zero......don't care about what you saying about me. So see you later gator.

Bluebettausa, sorry for being immature but I'm not make it up. I thought you were newbie but then look at your logo...I handled lots of livebearers for long time. Lyretailed livebearers (expect the lyretailed guppies) and giesson guppies are not sterile but hard to get the females pregnant unless you need A.I them. But of course you creeping me out completely especially suggested put a pair in 10 gal tank...yikes!

 

[divisible by zero]

i never said anything about you, but it seems as of late it's lots of flaming going on...so thanks anyways gator

 

[jollysue]

I'm sorry, Butch. Somehow I have been unclear. I am not getting these through a bid in AB with an unknown source or breeder. But they are listed for auction on AB.

And I do apologize, Butch, they are listed on AB, and they are listed as XL.

Red Eye Blood Red Super Sailfin Prs on AB

I had not gone through the AB auction. I am in personal exchange with the supplier. The fish have been recommended to me by a trusted source, who will not misuse me

I do know though that CorysRUs will not send me sickly or unhealthy fish.

I have bought fish from this supplier for many years. I have never had a complaint or recieved poor fish or bad service. I just recieved a 50 lb box of fish from CorysRUs. Not a dead one in the bunch. One died a day later and the offer of replacement has been made. I have several fry nets of panda fry from Corys recieved from this source. I have no reason whatsoever to doubt the claims of CorysRUs regarding these swords, If he recommend them then, I trust that recommendation, having bought $1000's of fish from him.

I don't understand how you would know him well, if you have been scammed in any way. Not only I, but many others have Corys from him and value him. These fish were just put up for auction today. When did you buy them from this supplier?

 

[Mikaila31]

I have kept two of the swords in the last picture. I have bought 6 but only two made it past two weeks, despite my best efforts. I got them from a good lfs, but they always came from the supplier sick. One lived 3 years before I lost her to a outbreak of velvet , she was my favorite fish. The other one I got a few months ago and is doing great. The pic you have up is of a young female, they look completely different when they are adults. The fish in the first two pics can breed, but the male lyertails will not be able to. They get very big as previously stated and they are slow eaters. They need a tank with a slow current and from my experience with them they tend to be sensitive fish. All in all, they are my favorite fish, even though I normally can't stand "man-made" fish.
cheers,
Mikaila31

The fish in the last picture is of a female Hi-Fin Lyretail Sword which is a mate to the first photo which is of a male Hi-Fin Lyretail Sword. These are not the run of the mill Red Albino Lyretails you find at a LFS as these fish are quite expensive and are Red Eye Blood Red Hi-Fin Lyretail Swords & the second photo is of a male Red Eye Blood Red Super Sailfin Sword of which I am attaching a photo of a female.

I'm confused are you saying that the fish that I posted is somehow different than the picture of the female Hi-Fin Lyretail Sword that jollysue posted? I got them from a highly rated fish store in Minneapolis called A World Of Fish . They don't get shipments in very often, and when they do most or all of the fish are in bad condition. The swordtails that I posted, I bought for about $7 each. Mine do grow large the young female I have is already bigger than my adult albino koi female.

cheers,
Mikaila31

 

[jollysue]

I actually am quite sure that the fish in question are not from the same source or the same line, Milaila. If these fish reach an LPS, it will be from someone like me. The ones I am considering have not gotten to the place in the system of having culls sent to the lps.

 

[Butch]

Oh I was talking about redeyesangel...not corysrus but I don't understand why he can't add normal male to this group as service breeding for the females that way we don't have to use mutt male swordtail from local stores...Redeyesangel's good at ripped everyone out. My friend bought highfin platys who supposed to be highfin but they werent highfin, just normal platy and he said he will throw red eyes swordtails in highfin platy but my friend never got the swordtail. Plus he post some very small photos which we can't see very well. Redeyesangel cannot be trusted.

 

[BlueBettaUSA]

I have kept two of the swords in the last picture. I have bought 6 but only two made it past two weeks, despite my best efforts. I got them from a good lfs, but they always came from the supplier sick. One lived 3 years before I lost her to a outbreak of velvet , she was my favorite fish. The other one I got a few months ago and is doing great. The pic you have up is of a young female, they look completely different when they are adults. The fish in the first two pics can breed, but the male lyertails will not be able to. They get very big as previously stated and they are slow eaters. They need a tank with a slow current and from my experience with them they tend to be sensitive fish. All in all, they are my favorite fish, even though I normally can't stand "man-made" fish.cheers,Mikaila31

The fish in the last picture is of a female Hi-Fin Lyretail Sword which is a mate to the first photo which is of a male Hi-Fin Lyretail Sword. These are not the run of the mill Red Albino Lyretails you find at a LFS as these fish are quite expensive and are Red Eye Blood Red Hi-Fin Lyretail Swords & the second photo is of a male Red Eye Blood Red Super Sailfin Sword of which I am attaching a photo of a female.

I'm confused are you saying that the fish that I posted is somehow different than the picture of the female Hi-Fin Lyretail Sword that jollysue posted? I got them from a highly rated fish store in Minneapolis called A World Of Fish . They don't get shipments in very often, and when they do most or all of the fish are in bad condition. The swordtails that I posted, I bought for about $7 each. Mine do grow large the young female I have is already bigger than my adult albino koi female.cheers,Mikaila31

Fish you posted photos of are Red Albino Lyretail Swords which are quite different from the Red Eye Blood Red Hi-Fin Lyretail Swords posted by jollysue. The first thing amongst many are the males as if you look at the first photo you will notice the male has a single sword and is not lyretail as in your photo and that's just the tip of the iceberg in differences. The fish you have are commonly sold in LFS for $5-$10 each and are imported from Asian fish farms. The fish in jollysue's post are quite different fish which are raised in the USA by a hobbyist who has isolated the gene and worked these two lines to perfection.Hope that helps.

I don't understand why he can't add normal male to this group as service breeding for the females that way we don't have to use mutt male swordtail from local stores.

I'll repeat myself for the last time....there is no reason to use a "mutt male swordtail" as these males are fertile and more then willing to reproduce. I don't know how else to get you to understand this.

 

[jollysue]

Butch: If I decide to get into this (breeding live bearers) I will recieve a breeding pair from CorysRUs. You and your friend's experience is a sad reality when buying online from unknown sources. I do highly vouch for CorysRUs. He is not a scam artist. He has a long standing business dependant on repeat customers.

He would lose much more than he would make by abusing his customers as you say this redeyeangel person does. (He should get a new name: redeyedevil)

I would report him to AquaBid! I am sorry you have had to deal with such a person.

Mikaila, I am mostly into Corys and breeding them. The jewel of the Corys for many people is the C. panda. The cutest little things. But the difference between the lps farm bred panda and the hobbyist's aquarium bred panda is astounding! The little farm bred guys hardly get home from the lps, let alone breed. Corys can live 20 years if well kept. But the little farm bred pandas do well to live a few months. That is the difference in getting your fish from a reputable breeder.

 

[Butch]

Oh I understand what you saying BlueBettausa, its doesn't make any sense. I never say the lyretailed males were sterile its just they have breeding problems, because their "penis" were too long and hard to bend it during mating time. A.I are only way to get the semen to the females and another way are use very young males breeding with females. Ask anyone who have lyretailed livebearers. So just don't bother to add arguements about it anymore please...period.

 

[jollysue]

Butch, I really don't understand why you think that a reputable dealer would be selling me a pair that could not reproduce. These fish are at this moment breeding and reproducing. It is likely that I would get a female that was already pregnant. I don't know who you get your fish from, but if I am going to breed fish, I get proven breeders or, in the case of some species, wild caught. I expect to get healthy proven breeders. Well sometimes I get fry that came from proven breeders when I am buying aquarium bred and developed fish ("man made.")

(Haha. I am not allowed to laugh at the thought of "man made" and "manufactured" fish anymore. )

 

[starrynightxxi]

jollysue, i haven't had these guys, but i have heard in the past that the males may have difficulty breeding due to the length of the gonopodium. the truth of that i don't know for sure, but it may be something just to run by the breeder. it never hurts to be sure. That said, I've never heard anything against CorysRUs. My buddy's big into cories and he'd have warned me when i was considering buying from them.

 

[helterskelter]

I see you guy's have been having fun over night.

I cant be bothered to read all the long posts so I'll say what i know about these fish, personally i don't like swords and have never kept them.


They are not produced via hormone injections or anything they breed true, how ever they will produce through back's which must be removed to keep the line.
Due to the albino gene keep in dim lighting.
Again due to albino gene they can suffer easily from common problems caused by poor water and poor foods
They are already being farmed in Asia and have seen them on import lists in the UK.

About the breeding problem due to the gonopodium, this is only in males showing the lyertail gene with the extra long gonopodium, how ever breeding back to a normal male with the red eye red gene will resualt in lyertail fry.

LOL just started to read some posts and soon quickly changed my mind......

 

[jollysue]

Thanks starrynightxxi and helterskelter

Some voices of reason and knowledge, although I had some trouble figuring out what a through back was. But I had a throw back show up in my lf peppers the other day. It is to be expected that the gene pool will out. Actually shows that there still are some other genes floating around in the pool.

Aw! go ahead, helterskelter, read it all!

I have not been into these livebearers. But these seem very nice. Remind me of my first love of Bettas. Hopefully they are hardier than Bettas. Those sweeties have broken my heart time and again, but I just can't stay away. But I don't spend a fortune importing them anymore. I'd rather import chocolates and eat my eye candy.

 

[nmonks]

1) They are not highly inbred and in fact were a naturally occurring genetic mutation that was very easily controlled and subsequently harnessed.

Just look at them and review your statement. Of course they're inbred. They do not and did not occur in nature with both aberrant colouration AND long fins. One or other might sometimes happen, but nature clearly selects against them, since swordtails are normally green with short fins. Moreover, if people are selling "pairs" you are almost certainly getting a brother and sister. So right there you're getting inbreeding for your next generation.

3) A single pair could be housed in a 10 USG tank quite easily as they don't need "LOTS of gallons" and are not "mammoth" by any stretch of the imagination.

You absolutely CANNOT keep swordtails in a 10 gallon tank. To do so is cruel. End of story. This is the kind of thing I and other professional fishkeeping writers try again and again to tell people about. But people insist, and the result is unhappy fish with high mortality because of poor water quality. I wouldn't even keep platies in a 10 gallon tank, let alone swordtails. A ten gallon tank is far too small for anything bigger than 2-3 cm, and these fish are well above that.

They are not "essentially" albinos but are in fact albinos ! Sort of like being a little pregant, you either are or aren't. They absolutely see although I haven't given them a vision test to see if it is 20/20 vision ! While your more then welcome to your opinion it's is one that I wouldn't say "many" people feel as strongly about as you may suggest. Have a look at albino reptiles, amphibians, dogs, cats, et al. No shortage of any of those to speak of. Thankfully, all animals with any "deprivation" learn how to adapt to their surroundings just like the blind or deaf humans do.

They are not true albinos since they obviously have red pigment. What they lack is melanin, which is essential for the eyes to work properly. That's not an "opinion", it's medical fact. There are indeed plenty of albino animals about, and I personally don't like of any of them. As for deprivation, that's en ethical discussion. If you're happy fuelling a demand for animals that can't sense their world normally, then that's your choice. Me, I prefer to keep fish that have all their senses intact. Sure, blind people and deaf people adapt and learn new behaviours; but given the choice, you think blind and deaf people wouldn't like their sight or hearing back?

Cheers, Neale