The death dyein in people's sigs.

[Drac39]

How do I add one,I believe strongly in what the website stands for. How would I add one in my sig?

 

[mrV]

I believe strongly in what the website stands for

Do you really? I like the idea to campaign against artificial coloured fishes. But they still sell hybrid fishes too, Jellybeans, and it's a little bit odd.

This is only my opinion, but I see them like a seller, who sells his stuff by advertising campaign against coloured fishes and getting popularity among fishkeepers. It's free advertising, when people use their banners and seller gets great benefits of it. I would say that they probably have no other interests to campaign against coloured fish than to get more good publicity and by the help of that to sell more their fishes. But like I said, these are only my thoughts.

I wouldn't buy any hybrid fishes and I think breeding them or selling them it's ethically really wrong too. So, I don't see any difference between artificial coloured fishes and hybrids - however hybrids are worse!

 

[Doggfather]

i see you got it on, so i won't go through the instruction again

 

[Cheese Specialist]

Why do people insist the hybrids are worse than dyed and say the 2 words in the same breath?

Maybe it would be good to expain what a hybrid fish is and why you don't like them so much, explaining that many people do in order to give others (especially people new to the hobby) balanced information.

 

[mrV]

Well, if you think that breeding hybrid fishes are ok, why cloning is then bad?

 

[gixer]

bettas, angels, discus, guppies, fancy goldfish and nearly every other type of fish commonly on sale to aquarists are all very much interfered with by man. why is this not as bad as hybrids?

at the end of the day our fish are kept in a glass box in our homes, its hardly affecting the enviroment.

people keeping wild caught fish and corals are 100000 times worse than people who keep hybrids IMO

 

[Doggfather]

Please don't start fighting again people! were already off topic

 

[Opcn]

Thats cause the topic has been answered. Mr. V cloneing is bad becuse we can't do it right nature can clone itself with no side effects (infact there is a guppy relative that just spits out clones) and the line breeding of golf fish is way worse than the parots IMO

Opcn

 

[gixer]

Please don't start fighting again people! were already off topic

whos fighting..?...its called a discussion. huge difference.

 

[gixer]

As far as I am concerned intervention occurs with so many fish
like bettas
http/www.bettatalk.com/betta_history.htm
http/home.hiwaay.net/~keiper/bettastory.htm

and guppies
http/community-2.webtv.net/fsguppy/HistoryofFancy/

in fact most fish seem to have had some sort of help from man to make them more attractive to us.

but the anti hybrid members think this is ok.....

 

[Doggfather]

i didn't say stop fighting, i said don't start fighting

 

[mrV]

why is this not as bad as hybrids?

I thought we were talking about artificial colouring and hybrids - not goldfishes etc...

but the anti hybrid members think this is ok.....

Name one, who has said that..

 

[gixer]

sorry i was pretty unclear.
i wasnt talking about dyeing someone brought hybrids into it

i have come across this debate about hybrids loads of times and the majority of people against them all seem to keep angels, bettas, guppies etc that are nothing like their wild ansestors. yet they dont see the similarity.

bettas are horrible ,ugly deformed things IMO that would stand no chance in their natural enviroment however they are amoungst the people that seem to be against blood parrots and the likes. that really confuses me.

a blood parrot would not survive in its natural surrounding either (because it doesnt have one)
whats the problem with keeping them in an aquarium though?

should we not also mess with genetics for medicine purposes. should we not try to find cures for cancer either? afterall it wouldnt be natural

 

[mrV]

majority of people against them all seem to keep angels, bettas, guppies etc that are nothing like their wild ansestors. yet they dont see the similarity.

I have angels but those are normal. I wouldn't buy those unnatural angels either. Many of them have too long fins that makes swimming difficult. I don't also like that people is breeding fishes to get longer fins. Nope, I don't buy any of them and I don't either accept it. They should think about possible harms that fish will have with those large fins (e.g. bent backbone...)

I think male betta has now too large fins too. I think it has gone too far already.

should we not also mess with genetics for medicine purposes. should we not try to find cures for cancer either?

It' huge difference between trying to find an aswer for cancer and making a new creature. I don't see any similarities between those. It's natural to try to be healthy but it's unnatural to make new "species".

 

[sinistral]

I like the idea to campaign against artificial coloured fishes. But they still sell hybrid fishes too, Jellybeans, and it's a little bit odd.

This is only my opinion, but I see them like a seller, who sells his stuff by advertising campaign against coloured fishes and getting popularity among fishkeepers. It's free advertising, when people use their banners and seller gets great benefits of it. I would say that they probably have no other interests to campaign against coloured fish than to get more good publicity and by the help of that to sell more their fishes. But like I said, these are only my thoughts.

I think this is a very interesting point. I like the idea as well of informing the public about dyeing and why it can have an adverse effect on fish. However, it's more than a bit disingenuous to turn around and profit off of that public information campaign.

The author of the website writes:

The purpose of this sale is to increase the availiablility of commonly dyed fish, in their natural beauty. Jellybeans were developed specifically to be dyed, but are still great fish. I see no reason why we should condemn an entire species of fish just because it is only availiable dyed. Hopefully, with the introduction of undyed Jellybeans into the world, and as they are propagated by hobbyists, one species will hopefully be ticked off the dyed list.

Then there is a small disclaimer at the bottom of that page:

Note: The profit derived from these sales does not go directly to Death by Dyeing.org

Does this strike anybody as incongruous? Maybe it's not wrong per se, but to promote yourself as an organization dedicated to education, but who also turns a personal profit makes me think twice about it.