"teacup" Puppies

All i have to say is, if i wanted a tea cup dog, id buy a rat.

That is what I did. I even got them from a rescue operation, and my two mutt rats (Yes, there are mutts in rats too, it's not just dogs that have standards and shows) have a better temperment than any dog I've seen.

It kinds of offends me when everyone is making insults of these tiny dogs relating them to rats. I'm a little off topic, but I'd really appreciate it if you started using terms not related to other pets, because you will always be insulting SOMEONE... It's like me saying "If I wanted to get a rat who bites and destroys things as much as Torgo does, I'd just go get a dog"
 
I've owned rats before. They aren't like dogs. They're very smart, don't bite, friendly, don't stink and don't shed. I can't see how anyone could relate them.
 
I've owned rats before. They aren't like dogs. They're very smart, don't bite, friendly, don't stink and don't shed. I can't see how anyone could relate them.

That quote, however, is probably more insulting to dog owners than most the previous ones. You're not implied that all dogs stink, shed, bite, and are moronic.

And also, rats DO shed. I wear black, and I've never got through a playtime without my shirt being covored in rat fur. They just have less fur than, say, a 40 pound dog (obviously...) So shedding is less noticable. I actually think they shed a lot in relation to their size.
 
I could care less on appearance, to me all that counts is personality.

But, they are sick looking and have many health issues. They don't have good personalities most of the time. I would recommend looking on AKC.org for breeders. The teacup breeders ONLY breed for appearance. Show breeders breed for personality, appearance, companionship, behavior, and sometimes skill.(agility, conformation, or just family pet)
I would never buy a puppy from the paper, a pet store, or a breeder that breeds non-purebreds. I would however, go to a show breeder or a breed specific Rescue org. if I knew the breed I wanted. You shouldn't just go to get the cute little looking puppy that fits in your pocket or is small enough for my apartment, you should research. I chose Schnauzers because they have agility, alertness, the size, hypoallergenic, intelligent, spirited, protective (but, not overly), robust, mostly playful, behavior, and energetic. You can't expect to buy a perfect dog, but you have to train them. They will never be perfect, but will learn enough. Toys are hard to train in general and don't have good behavior. It gets even worse when you baby them.
Some people say, I don't need to train, I won't do sports, I won't show him...and they get a little brat. Puppy training school and obedience training will come in handy. It isn't just sit, down, ect. You learn come, stop, sit, down, wait, no bark, leave it, ect. Can you see how they come in handy?
So, we are fighting that teacups are small. Research them before you start fighting! :angry:
Oh, I am not saying not to get a toy dog, just saying to research before buying. That is why there are so many dogs in the humane societies and rescues.
 
Toys are hard to train in general and don't have good behavior. It gets even worse when you baby them.
Some people say, I don't need to train, I won't do sports, I won't show him...and they get a little brat. Puppy training school and obedience training will come in handy. It isn't just sit, down, ect. You learn come, stop, sit, down, wait, no bark, leave it, ect. Can you see how they come in handy?
So, we are fighting that teacups are small. Research them before you start fighting! :angry:
Oh, I am not saying not to get a toy dog, just saying to research before buying. That is why there are so many dogs in the humane societies and rescues.[/b]

Alright, I have to disagree. Not all toys are hard to train. Case in point. My Pomeranian, CiCi, a definite toy, has been very easy to train. I will agree, however, that people need to do research before buying any dog, be it toy or any other. I don't train CiCi the same way I would train another dog. CiCi is a headstrong dog, but once she realized that I was the head of the pack, she takes orders from me very well. One of the first things I did with her, however, was take the Volhard puppy aptitude test. She scored mostly 2s and 3s, so she's quite a dominant dog, and needed a firmer hand for training. The results of the exam determine how you approach training the dog. Knowing what makes her tick, made my life, and ultimately hers, much easier. She is a well-mannered dog, and there is ample time for babying and snuggling. Just take wone wook at that wittle face on my avitar, and you'll know that wittle girl was built for snuggle-poo wuv, wuv. :wub:

Now, for the topic in question, I personally wouldn't own a tea-cup variety of any toy breed (I personally like a little more dog and not worrying about hurting it by accident), but I don't know enough about them to make a generalization about their health. From what I've read and heard over the years, they tend to be very fragile and for the most part, in poor health, but I'm just relaying what I've read. I am sure that there are Tea-cups running around healthy as a horse. The breeder where I got CiCi has made a definite decision about Tea-cup versions of Pomeranians and refuses to breed a female that's under 8lbs. 8lbs is actually over the breed standard for Poms, but her puppies don't have the health problems that smaller Poms tend to have. CiCi is a reflection of this, I believe, wise decision. CiCi was the smallest of that litter at 6lbs (still on the large end of the Pomeranian scale), though she may be more, I haven't weighed her in a little bit. She has perfect teeth, and no evidence of patella luxation. She enjoys 2mile+ walks and has much more stamina than other smaller dogs I've seen. Actually over 100 years ago, Queen Victoria's prize-winning Poms were all over 7lbs and earlier versions of the breed were 15-30lbs! I think in addition to the toy classification of 3-7lbs, a larger size classification should be introduced, say between 8-15lbs. One can dream. Like your schnauzers, she is a boisterious, intelligent, small dog that is a perfect companion pet for someone in an apartment. The shedding isn't as bad as I thought, but I groom her every other day, so that may have something with it.

So please don't generalize about dog breeds. I could have easily said that Schnauzers are stubborn, nippy, and yappy. This has been my experiences with the Schnauzers I have encountered. But, I know that Schnauzers weren't bred to be that way, and are awesome dogs. They were very high on my list when I was researching breeds. The same goes for Pitbulls, who have such a bad reputation. All the pitbulls I have encountered have been marshmellow dogs that love a good belly rub more than anything in the world, but I don't want to open another can of worms, so I won't discuss pitbulls further, that was just an example. I think a lot of this boils down to the owner of the dog and how they take care of it. As I stressed in the beginning of my post, every prospective dog owner must research a breed thoroughly before buying. I was looking into Poms for a year before I purchased CiCi from a reputable breeder.

This is my two cents worth. :)
 
So please don't generalize about dog breeds. I could have easily said that Schnauzers are stubborn, nippy, and yappy. This has been my experiences with the Schnauzers I have encountered. But, I know that Schnauzers weren't bred to be that way, and are awesome dogs. They were very high on my list when I was researching breeds. The same goes for Pitbulls, who have such a bad reputation. All the pitbulls I have encountered have been marshmellow dogs that love a good belly rub more than anything in the world, but I don't want to open another can of worms, so I won't discuss pitbulls further, that was just an example. I think a lot of this boils down to the owner of the dog and how they take care of it. As I stressed in the beginning of my post, every prospective dog owner must research a breed thoroughly before buying. I was looking into Poms for a year before I purchased CiCi from a reputable breeder.

If you read my post up there somewhere(^#25^) I said:
If you were also refering to my comment...I said yuck because they look sickly, and illly (Is that a word?) bred. It makes me made when people say not to get a certain type of dog because it is mean or yippy. And on TV they show Dobbies, Rotties, and Pitties guarding things and chasing people away.

I am not talking about toys dogs. I am talking about teacups. There are NO good breeders and toys don't need to be downsized and shouldn't. Yes, it depends on the owner, but if the dog is bred runt to runt to get small size there are health defects. First of all, you should never breed runt to runt. For example:
Toy Poodles: 6 and 8 pounds + 10 inches or less at the highest point of the shoulders
Teacup: 2 to 4 pounds + 8 inches at the shoulder or less
Why would you want to breed a 2 pound dog to a 2 pound dog? Sometimes puppies weight less then their parents and a lot less when pups. What if the mom had 8 pups? She could die, because she is so small.
If you have met yappy schnauzer then you haven't met any one who trained it well. One of my Miniature Schnauzer doesn't bark at all. She never bites and she learned tricks in minutes. Like how to jump and stand on a ball. (I need a picture, she is so funny!)
Toys are more prone to health problems because of the size. So think about teacups. They are very prone to health problems. I'm sure there is a healthy teacup running around. But, there are very few and we shouldn't promote breeding teacups.
There is no such thing as a TEACUP! Or a toy schnauzer! I say teacup, because I don't feel like saying teacup sized this or teacup sized that all the time. It is sad. :no: :grr:
 
I am not talking about toys dogs. I am talking about teacups. There are NO good breeders and toys don't need to be downsized and shouldn't. Yes, it depends on the owner, but if the dog is bred runt to runt to get small size there are health defects. First of all, you should never breed runt to runt. For example:

I heartily agree with you. But...

Look, in post number 31 (counting from your 25), you said "Toys are hard to train in general and don't have good behavior. It gets even worse when you baby them." This quote is as plain as the nose on my face. I did read your posts, and chose to comment on only that section. I have read all the posts on this thread. You made a distiction in post number 25, and that's fine, notice I didn't quote that one. But you didn't in your last one, and that's where I jumped in.

If you meant Tea-cups then say what you mean. I'm responding to a comment you said about "Toy's" which was the subject of your sentence.

I don't want to start an arguement, but I'll say it once, and I'll say it again, don't make generalizations about dog breeds.
 
I heartily agree with you. But...

Look, in post number 31 (counting from your 25), you said "Toys are hard to train in general and don't have good behavior. It gets even worse when you baby them." This quote is as plain as the nose on my face. I did read your posts, and chose to comment on only that section. I have read all the posts on this thread. You made a distiction in post number 25, and that's fine, notice I didn't quote that one. But you didn't in your last one, and that's where I jumped in.

If you meant Tea-cups then say what you mean. I'm responding to a comment you said about "Toy's" which was the subject of your sentence.

I don't want to start an arguement, but I'll say it once, and I'll say it again, don't make generalizations about dog breeds.

I meant most toys are harder to train. They are a more indepent group of breeds. :) I was refering to #25 because I said exactly what you just said, "It is sad that people see one dog and judge the whole breed."

Edit: I meant independent...not indepent. :lol:
 
Exactly, all is now good in my Pomeranian universe. I'm glad we could clear that up. :)
 

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