Tank In School

[cooledwhip]

 
"Officially" Tetras are said to be in schools of 6 (in captivity not in the wild, there's like 1000's lol its pretty)
Also im pretty sure im not ABSOLUTELY 100%%%% wrong with he endlers eating shrimp, youtube or google it. there's been 1 endler in this entire world throughout history to eat 1 shrimp of any kind. its 2016
 
You have a lot to learn about this hobby. We are only trying to help you.
 
I am not the only one suggesting guppies and endlers. Don't be so stubborn about it. They are good fish for an eco system. That's why other people have suggested them. And yeah, I'm sure at least "1 endler in this entire world throughout history to eat 1 shrimp of any kind its 2016" (whatever that means) has happened at least once. But then again, I'm sure a shrimp has eaten an arowana (at least once). Maybe a baby arowana?? It must have happened throughtout the entire world of history right? 
 
I have kept both endlers, guppies, shrimp, and have BRED endlers, guppies and shrimp together in the same tank. I bred them both in the same tank. They don't eat eachother...
This guy made a video explaining how to make money breeding fish, and he says all you need is a 10 gallon with a guppy/endler strain and shrimp. They breed together and don't eat eachother...
https/www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpW8tHGy6T4
 
Petco and petsmart sets their tetra standard to be at least 6. Studies have shown, and I personally after keeping numerous species of tetra have found that they do well in groups of at least 8. Take it or leave it. That's just information. If you wanna go the petsmart and petco route of things just do 6. They won't be happy, just like your SAE you were planning on killing....
 
Maybe you can go on the petco forums you are apart of and ask them about the tetra situation?

 

[fluttermoth]

C'mon, guys, play nicely please...

(Just to add; Endlers don't eat shrimps; I too have breeding colony of blue jelly shrimps with Endlers in the tank and have had no problems; the Endlers might possibly eat shrimplets, if they can find them, but not enough to affect a colony, and they won't take an adult shrimp, unless it's dead or dying already)

 

[cooledwhip]

C'mon, guys, play nicely please...

(Just to add; Endlers don't eat shrimps; I too have breeding colony of blue jelly shrimps with Endlers in the tank and have had no problems; the Endlers might possibly eat shrimplets, if they can find them, but not enough to affect a colony, and they won't take an adult shrimp, unless it's dead or dying already)

Thanks for the back up on the endler issue. 
 
I have given my suggestions numerous times because I only want to help new members here.
 
I think this rooted from a thread he made a while back on how he should kill his SAE. He bought it, but somehow didn't want it anymore and had no space for it so he was looking for ways to kill it... And I simply said next time please don't buy a fish you don't intend to keep. I also said there is no humane way to kill a live fish. YOU DON"T KILL A LIVE FISH. I would rather pay $30 to ship it to someone who can take care of it than have the forever live long thought of knowing I had taken the life from an innocent animal.

 

[fluttermoth]

I have given my suggestions numerous times because I only want to help new members here.
 
I think this rooted from a thread he made a while back on how he should kill his SAE. He bought it, but somehow didn't want it anymore and had no space for it so he was looking for ways to kill it... And I simply said next time please don't buy a fish you don't intend to keep. I also said there is no humane way to kill a live fish. YOU DON"T KILL A LIVE FISH. I would rather pay $30 to ship it to someone who can take care of it than have the forever live long thought of knowing I had taken the life from an innocent animal.

Sometimes pet owners have to make difficult choices. Euthanising healthy animals is a touchy subject but it can, in some cases, be unavoidable.

However, that issue is not the subject of this thread, so could we keep it on topic, please.

Also a quick reminder to everyone to keep things civil, please,

Thank you.

 

[BettaBettas]

im gonna go from this thread

 

[eaglesaquarium]

Speaking as a teacher... it is not a good idea to ask a teacher to do something like this.  If it is the teacher's idea, then it is the teacher's responsibility.  If it is the student's idea, then it is the student's responsibility.   Teachers have a lot of responsibilities and who and how it is going to be cared for over the summer is a MAJOR decision in the process.  And while you are a sophomore at the school and see it as your 'permanent' place, you are just a temporary individual in that school.  The fish should survive long after you are graduated and gone.  Then, YOUR idea becomes a BURDEN to the one left to care for it in your absence. 
 
 
Long story short... great intentions, just not a well thought out plan.  Keeping an aquarium offers a great number of options in terms of learning a great deal of biology topics.  BUT, they are not the curriculum that is what the teacher NEEDS to teach to meet their contractual obligations.
 
Sorry, but this is a non-starter.

 

[marnold00]

I think saying is a non-starter is perhaps a little bit tough. When i was back in highschool (and were not talking ages ago... I started high school 11 years ago) our biology backroom was immense. We had about 5 or 6 fish tanks (one of which was huge) keeping cold water fish through to tropical. We also had 6 snakes which also bred, bearded dragons, budgies and a pond outside with koi carp.

How did this work? A student looked after a goldfish about 15 years prior to my time there. This gained interest from other students and it got into a position where every lunch time a group of 10 kids (each lunch time was a different year group) would do the maintenance by cleaning a fish tank and the snakes tanks, and then play with the reptiles for the rest of lunch.

Volunteers would also maintain everything throughout school holidays. There was never a single break where we'd come back and find everything had died.

BettaBettas i would approach the head of biology at the school and aim for this as your personal project for extra credits. Get some funding for the equipment from school, but keep the fish tank out back. This way you keep what ever fish you like (tetras it seems...) and kids wont do anything stupid to the fish because theyre locked away.

You can then maybe get some of your mates joining in and once the school sees the benefit then there is a chance that they would increase funding. This is the time you would set up the ecosystem tanks with a couple of guppies. Its no different to other extra curricular clubs. But thats the key here. Its extra curricular. You would have to actively show to your school how it is benefiting your learning. Dont just assume that they can see it helping. Youre going to have to give presentations in class etc.

I know my experience may be an exceptional case, but why does that mean Bettabettas case cant be exceptional also?

I think that the advice given in this thread has been very good in places. However, also from reading this i feel that some criticism has not been constructive enough. Yes that would be fine if the school commented here, but they haven't (or they may have. In which i say hey ;P ).

Change needs to happen in places and rather unfortunately change does not happen if people dont look to work on the hurdles in front of them, rather than finding a different path around said hurdle, or in some cases here not even starting it.

BettaBettas you may need to compromise and get guppies if it makes your life easier at school. When starting anything up like this, you need to make it obvious to the teachers that it is possible. If they see fish dying straight away then that is going to work against you.

Also dont go through with this if you cannot take the tank home and add it to your collection. If you can do this then id say go for it.

 

[cooledwhip]

BettaBettas you may need to compromise and get guppies if it makes your life easier at school. 

 

I agree.

 

[marnold00]

Proof that careful sentence structure is needed so that statements cant be extracted and used to show a bias to one particular argument. Forums at their finest anywho im gonna leave my post as is


Although i must admit this is actually a very interesting topic to read through. Some very nicely thought out arguments.

 

[cooledwhip]

Proof that careful sentence structure is needed so that statements cant be extracted and used to show a bias to one particular argument. Forums at their finest

anywho im gonna leave my post as is

Cooledwhip, I love you. You are the best person in the world. You make the most beautiful fish tanks on the planet.

I also agree. Thanks.

 

[marnold00]

Proof that careful sentence structure is needed so that statements cant be extracted and used to show a bias to one particular argument. Forums at their finest

anywho im gonna leave my post as is

Cooledwhip, I love you. You are the best person in the world. You make the most beautiful fish tanks on the planet.

I also agree. Thanks.

No problem

 

[DomH]

If you had enough money you can get automatic feeders, automatic lighting and even automatic water changes. You would just need to do a gravel vac, scrub the sides, and replace filter media every 6 months or so


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