Tank Cycling & Ammonia Poisoning

[CrazyDiamond88]

Okay, so I went to my LFS yesterday.
 
Kasai has mild fin rot. The guy gave me something called wardley promethyasul to put in the tank to cure it. 
Does anyone know about this stuff and if it works well?
 
I told him I was doing 50% water changes in my uncycled tank daily, and he said it will never cycle like that, because in Sydney, there are large amounts of chlorine in the water which are killing the bacteria everytime I put new water in.
 
He gave me something called Sera Toxivec to remove chlorine, nitrate and ammonia. I asked for Prime and he gave me that.
Anyone know anything about this stuff?
 
Should I be feeding/water changing during his treatment for fin rot?

 

[bigcheed]

its not something ive come across so I cant comment. prime is difficult to source outside the u.s. very few retailers stock it in the uk. I imagine oz would be the same. because of this it  tends to have a high price. there are a few online retailers who stock it at reasonable prices. it also pops up on ebay. its the experts weapon of choice which is what made me go and find some. it has a proven track record and really does the business. if your worried about the amount of chlorine in the water then start prepping it a day before its needed. 24hrs standing will lessen the amount  of chloramines and trace metals in tap water adding water conditioner before you use it will make it safer still. a lot of fish keepers leave there water standing for a few days for this reason.

 

[eaglesaquarium]

Many LFS staff are not experts. They are just salaried employees working to live, not the other way around. To him Prime is a dechlorinator, as is Stresscoat so he thought he was saving you money. On that level he was right.

 
Actually the concentration of Prime might actually make it cheaper in the long run!

 

[the_lock_man]

 

Many LFS staff are not experts. They are just salaried employees working to live, not the other way around. To him Prime is a dechlorinator, as is Stresscoat so he thought he was saving you money. On that level he was right.

 
Actually the concentration of Prime might actually make it cheaper in the long run!
 

 
Yes, it almost certainly would, but we're talking about the thought processes of a LFS employee here.

 

[eaglesaquarium]

 
True.  Some of the ones around me has the thought process of when their break starts, while others are very conscientious - I prefer the latter.  Unfortunately, those usually are college age kids looking to earn some money in their free time, and move on when they graduate.   

 

[the_lock_man]

Some of them around me are clearly only there because they failed the entrance exam for McDonalds.
 
Obviously, that wouldn't apply to MBOU and Sophie.

 

[eaglesaquarium]

Don't disparage McDonalds.

 

[CrazyDiamond88]

Okay, let me clarify - the LFS I went to last week told me not to worry about Prime.

I went to another one on Sunday, the guy there seems to own the place, and he gave me wardley and Sera toxivec.
He told me to only do 30% water changes.

The thing about treating water before I put it in Kasai's tank is useful, thank you.

Should I be very worried about the fin rot?
I put some aquarium salt in his tank last night and on Sunday I had put the wardley in.
Should I be doing my 30% changes whilst medicating his water?

 

[Sophie]

Some of them around me are clearly only there because they failed the entrance exam for McDonalds.
 
Obviously, that wouldn't apply to MBOU and Sophie.

I'm glad someone brought this up

 

[CrazyDiamond88]

Tested everything tonight.

Nitrates - 0
Nitrites - 0
Ph - 7.2
Ammonia - .25

So it looks like that Sera Toxivec is doing something!

 

[eaglesaquarium]

 

Some of them around me are clearly only there because they failed the entrance exam for McDonalds.
 
Obviously, that wouldn't apply to MBOU and Sophie.

I'm glad someone brought this up

 

 
 

 

Some of them around me are clearly only there because they failed the entrance exam for McDonalds.
 
Obviously, that wouldn't apply to MBOU and Sophie.

I'm glad someone brought this up

 

 
I love having members that work in a LFS on the board.  You can be the 'agents of change'.  But, ultimately, the drive to generate a profit is overwhelming for most shop owners.  Its why I'd not own a pet store.  I care for animals too much and probably would have a hard time selling them, especially if I had a bunch of folks who didn't know what they were doing.

 

[CrazyDiamond88]

So I have been doing water changes and today the results were:
 
ph - 7.4
Ammonia - .25ppm
Nitrate - 0
Nitrite - 0

 

[CrazyDiamond88]

pH - 7.4
Ammonia - .25ppm
Nitrite - 0
Nitrate - Between 0 and 5. ppm?? It's hard to tell!! But definitely not 0 and not 5... somewhere between!

 

[singlecutguitar]

In my country betta is using for fighter, and keep in a unused coffee bottle container (less than one gallon !) with no filtration, just water change regularly, and yet they are all survive. But it is not recommended anyway as a good fishkeeper.

 

[CrazyDiamond88]

Now I am puzzled.
 
 
pH - 7.4
Ammonia - Between 0 and .25ppm?
Nitrite - 0
Nitrate - 0
 
 
I am using Prime to de-chlorify tap water before I put it in his tank.
 
Would this be affecting the test results?
 
Could I be already cycled, or close to it?