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The ph fluctuates.

I assume this is in the tap water? That's unfortunate, but not disastrous. You may have to check the pH before doing water changes. Remember to out-gas CO2 when testing tap water. Water sitting for 24 hours is usually the method, but briskly agitating the water in a jar with a leakproof lid can work the same.
Or I could soak it in vinegar and let it eat away at all the grime on there and maybe that'll help... Wdyt?
Any liquid that a rock sits in and that contains a substance (vinegar, oil, pesticide, etc, etc) will mean that substance may get into the rock. Worse when it is wood, but rock can still absorb things.
 
I assume this is in the tap water? That's unfortunate, but not disastrous. You may have to check the pH before doing water changes. Remember to out-gas CO2 when testing tap water. Water sitting for 24 hours is usually the method, but briskly agitating the water in a jar with a leakproof lid can work the same.

Any liquid that a rock sits in and that contains a substance (vinegar, oil, pesticide, etc, etc) will mean that substance may get into the rock. Worse when it is wood, but rock can still absorb things.
Ok. Mainly my tap stays around 7 but every now and then I get a reading if 6.5 or 8. Yah I'm not going to soak them in it, you're right about it seeping in... I should take one of my least favorite rocks out of the package and attempt to pressure wash it...
 
I assume this is in the tap water? That's unfortunate, but not disastrous. You may have to check the pH before doing water changes. Remember to out-gas CO2 when testing tap water. Water sitting for 24 hours is usually the method, but briskly agitating the water in a jar with a leakproof lid can work the same.

Any liquid that a rock sits in and that contains a substance (vinegar, oil, pesticide, etc, etc) will mean that substance may get into the rock. Worse when it is wood, but rock can still absorb things.
So, pulled by my own curiosity, I decided to choose my least favorite looking rock out of them all and soaked it for apx 15-25 minutes and then took it out and used an unused toothbrush to scrub it and then swished it around in the vinegar... When I pulled it out it was SO clean. I may start doing this with my rocks. Wdyt?
 
So, pulled by my own curiosity, I decided to choose my least favorite looking rock out of them all and soaked it for apx 15-25 minutes and then took it out and used an unused toothbrush to scrub it and then swished it around in the vinegar... When I pulled it out it was SO clean. I may start doing this with my rocks. Wdyt?

I have never used anything but hot water (out of the tap, not boiling) to clean wood or rock. I have lots of river rock purchased from a landscape supply type outlet. An old toothbrush to scrub the rock (or wood if needed). I just have this thing about using other products; it should not be necessary to begin with [I cannot fathom why I would use vinegar on a rock???], and it is always a risk and I care about my fish, they have enough stress getting from Peru or wherever to my tank. :fish:

Another member several months ago remarked that the reason I had/have so little experience with diseases is because of my approach to keeping fish. I research the species and its habitat, and provide as close as I can to what the fish "expects," and I never add any substance, additive, medication, etc to a fish tank except for plant fertilizers (and I am careful to use as little as needed), water conditioner, and when absolutely necessary and always with the advice of a trained scientifically-based person, medication. In keeping with this approach, I will not use anything but water to clean wood and rock.

My fish so far as I know primarily die of old age. My male Bolivian Ram with a lifespan of 4-5 years (some suggest 6 max) lived into his 9th year in the same tank. My Whiptail (species Rineloricaria parva) with a lifespan of 5-8 years was in its 12th year when it died last year. In the past 12 years I have had just three "disease" issues: two were internal protozoan brought in with new fish from a chain store [learned a couple things from those episodes], and once some new cories had gill flukes. That's it. I do think there is a solid connection here with my "approach."
 
I have never used anything but hot water (out of the tap, not boiling) to clean wood or rock. I have lots of river rock purchased from a landscape supply type outlet. An old toothbrush to scrub the rock (or wood if needed). I just have this thing about using other products; it should not be necessary to begin with [I cannot fathom why I would use vinegar on a rock???], and it is always a risk and I care about my fish, they have enough stress getting from Peru or wherever to my tank. :fish:

Another member several months ago remarked that the reason I had/have so little experience with diseases is because of my approach to keeping fish. I research the species and its habitat, and provide as close as I can to what the fish "expects," and I never add any substance, additive, medication, etc to a fish tank except for plant fertilizers (and I am careful to use as little as needed), water conditioner, and when absolutely necessary and always with the advice of a trained scientifically-based person, medication. In keeping with this approach, I will not use anything but water to clean wood and rock.

My fish so far as I know primarily die of old age. My male Bolivian Ram with a lifespan of 4-5 years (some suggest 6 max) lived into his 9th year in the same tank. My Whiptail (species Rineloricaria parva) with a lifespan of 5-8 years was in its 12th year when it died last year. In the past 12 years I have had just three "disease" issues: two were internal protozoan brought in with new fish from a chain store [learned a couple things from those episodes], and once some new cories had gill flukes. That's it. I do think there is a solid connection here with my "approach."
Well I rinsed it off well and the rocks will be in the tank while cycling... So I feel confident that the vinegar will have worn off by the time cycling and adding plants is done.
 
Well I rinsed it off well and the rocks will be in the tank while cycling... So I feel confident that the vinegar will have worn off by the time cycling and adding plants is done.

I would agree. My last post was more general in nature, just to indicate why I seem unsupportive (for lack of a better word) of all uses of any substance aside from water. :drinks:
 
I would agree. My last post was more general in nature, just to indicate why I seem unsupportive (for lack of a better word) of all uses of any substance aside from water. :drinks:
I definitely agree. I dont even do the 2/3 water 1/3 bleach to clean stuff. I do like vinegar though because its natural so it doesn't harm much in small amounts (including fish).
 

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