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Strange question… will products like Quick Start, hinder “real” beneficial bacteria growth???

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So my new 45 gallon is rolling… 6 small fish right now, a lot of mechanical filtration, and a sponge filter, from my holding tank, that previously housed the 3 Blue Acaras, it was in a 10 gallon originally, it’s rated for 20 gallons ( I assume this is, it’s capable of handling 20 gallons worth of fish, as the amount of water would really be irrelevant ) I have some Quick Start, and added it when I put the 1st fish in, and before adding the sponge filter… since this is not the live beneficial bacteria, that normally colonizes the filters naturally, I’m wondering if it would inhibit colonization of my new mechanical filters, if I added it the next couple times I add fish, until I’m sure I have a good natural colony in my filters??? Thoughts???
 
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API Quick Start. I do not trust this product. Their evidence that it works is not acceptable to me.

1. They used liver fish. They fed them. The fish do not produce the exact same amount of ammonia in any given time period.
2. They have how much ammonia was being created in any tank.
3. They only tested twice a week. If they always tested at the same time of day, that would mean 3.5 days between tests. That can miss a lot of readings which may have been higher than what they reported as the highs
4. They do no say anything about the condition of the fish at any point in the test. Did any died? Were any injured?
5. This was not an independent study nor even true research, not published in scientific journal.
6. The highest level of ammonia in the control tanks was a peak of 1.6 ppm. Using pH 7.65 and a temp of 77F (I used the average of the range they list). I ran those numbers through the ammonia calculator and the actual toxic ammonia works out to 0.0404. If it were my tank, I would not change water for that level especially since it was the peak and that means lower before and after.
7. The highest level of nitrite in the control tanks was 6. The chart shows it was 2 pm and higher for 12-13 days. It was between 4 and 6 ppm for 10 consecutive days. And, because the day or two at either end of that, there was nitrite. It certainly harmed the control fish to some degree. Once nitrite gets into a fishes system, it takes a day or two to work its way out. However, as long as there is still nitrite in the water, it is not leaving the fish.*

There are several bacteria that will oxidize ammonia in our tanks, but the one that does both nitrite on its own or it can process ammonia strait to nitrate can only be bottled in Dr. Tim's One and Only and Tetra's Safe Start and Safe Start Plus.

Here is what I can say for sure. I can cycle a tank and then fully stock in under two weeks using Dr. Tim's. I have done it a number of times. I also use it to jump start my bio-farms for filters along with filter squeezings. But I do the cycling w/o fish and then I add them all when it is done. Like they say in the Movies: No fish were harmed during the cycling of this tank.

As for will it inhibit, yes to some degree. But it will do this if the bacteria in Quick Start consume any of the ammonia or nitrite, the bacteria that will be there for the extended future will take longer to colonize because they will be sharing the ammonia with other bacteria. My guess is this product is able to protect the fish some during a fish in cycle done with a very very light fish load. But I would never suggest to anyone that they do a fish in cycle since no fish have ever been harmed in a fishless cycle.

They put 3 guppies 1 in. (2.5 cm) in size into a 20 gal tank. When I cycle as I described above, I would add 8-10 plecos about 2-2.25 inches into a 20L. Mine eat more meat than veggie matter and all of them would go in at the same time. I think that would be equal to about 40-50 1 inch guppies in terms of bio-load. I would be dosing ammonia to cycle, and it would be a whole lot more than 3 1 inch guppies can produce in a day.

*Ammonia. when in water turns mostly into NH4, ammonium. But it is the part that is ammonia, NH3,that is highly toxic. How much is in each form depends upon the pH and temperature of the water. Higher means more NH3. Nitrite in water is in only one form.

edited to fix a bunch of typos
 
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I used the api brand name, because it was easy, and it’s common, but it’s my understanding that the naturally occurring beneficial bacteria, would not survive in a bottle, on a store shelf… so my real question is, will these shelf stable miracle cures, no matter what the brand ( assuming here there is more than one species, or chemical in these bottles), inhibit the growth of naturally occurring bacteria in our filter media…
And very possibly it would be better to do a daily or every other day water change, rather than add a “starter” once fish are already in the tank?
 
Also… normally I’m a huge advocate of adding plants, but my plants for this tank are not here yet… I did “transplant” 3 bunches of Java fern, from my holding tank as well but I don’t have my faster growing terrestrial plants added to this tank yet, so I’ll be monitoring water quality more on this tank, than I have on any of my other tank restarts
 
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I really don't think so, I've only either observed no impact or good impact (not bad impact) from bacteria cycling solutions, from testing my water and going by how fast a cycle "normally happens"
 
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The bacteria most certainly can survive in a bottle on a store shelf for at least 6 months and, when used, the ammonia you or fish add will wake them up and they will go back to work at close to, if not at the same level, as when they went into the bottle and went into the state of dormancy.

The bacteria are able to sense when the essentials things the need vanish. Think ammonia/nitrite, oxygen and inorganic carbon mostly. When these thing become unavailable the bacteria respond by going dormant. This is why it is better in a tank where one has removed the fish and thus the source of most of the ammonia in the tank, not to add a bit of ammonia as that will prevent dormancy. Instead, it will work to shrink the size of the colony. These bacteria do not forms spores. So, without another strategy, they could not have survived for many millions of years.

No ammonia and/or no oxygen and/or inorganic carbon allow the bacteria to survive mostly intact for months in a state of dormancy whereas just a reduction in these essentials will only cause the size of the colony to shrink. Less ammonia and the bacteria are dying off faster than they reproduce. No ammonia and they go dormant and very few individuals die for months. Put the bottle in the fridge and the amount of time they can stay strong is a year.
 
so... if this is true... you could take all the fish out of a mature aquarium, for 6 months, let the water percolate, & then refill it completely with fish again, & the tank wouldn't need to be recycled???
 

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