Starting A Reef Tank

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;) Hello everyone! I really need help on what to get to start a reef tank! Im lookin at buying a tank from 40-55g. You think this is a good size for a starter setup? Also ive been lookin around and ive come to 3 different types of tanks.

1. A Jebo R375 (40g) with a built in wet/dry filtration system w/bio balls and a matching stand for 450! Really damn nice btw!
2. A Clear For Life system with 3 stage bio system built on the back with bio balls n all that good stuff for about the same price as the Jebo!
3. Buy a plain 40-55g tank and just buy all the filters seperately!

I dont know what to do because I was going to go with the built in systems but I read that its really bad to have a wet dry filtration system with live rock because it will shoot up the nitrate levels! So I really need your wisdom on what to buy n if you think I should just buy a tank n filters separetely then what exactly would I need to get to setup a really good reef setup.
 
You would definatly want at least a 55 gallon. From there you would basically need everything from a tropical aquarium (I take it you have done tropical before because people say that you should have at least 2 years experience with tropical before moving onto marine). You will also need a protein skimmer. Well, heres a really good explanation from 'Great Lakes'.

Many people wish to start a marine aquarium. Cost seems to be the prohibitive factor. Understandable when you consider the higher costs to begin with, Then you factor in poor planning, bad information, and mistakes. Gets expensive fast.

Instead of generalities with this article, I am going to be specific. I am not going to give any magic advice on how to save money. It can't be done. You can further your budget with some good DIY work, but you can't cut corners. There are bare essentials that must be included for the average Reefer. Yes, I said Reefer. We are going to build a nice little reef tank, step by step. If you are impatient, or faint at the thought of spending money, you can quit reading now. But let me tell you, the satisfaction is worth the money and patience.

What size tank. Our Dream tank will be a 30gal, 36" long 16" high, and 12" deep. Long and shallow is better than narrow and tall. This fact is in consideration of lighting. Lighting is the key factor in marine tanks. Ideally, three foot bulbs should fit over your tank. Likewise, a tank that is not overly tall will have better light penetration. You will also need a stand, and a canopy. Here is where DIY skills, and a little cunning will save you some money. A stand is a necessity. When you have your system looking good, you aren't gonna want to move it unless you absolutely have to. Besides, after a few years, you will easily have thousands of dollars worth of livestock in it. You don't want to proudly display this on an old TV stand, do you? Besides, you will need the stand to hide your sump and all the other equipment that goes with keeping marines.

So, the order I would do it in. Plan where the tank will go. Reef tanks require power like you have never seen. Our tank will have 300 watts of light, two powerheads, a return pump, heater and skimmer. This is minimum.

Now we are going to research. We are going to dream of all the different types of life we will keep while we are researching. And while we are researching, we are going to buy our stuff piece by piece. Here is where the patience comes in. This step will encompass a year or more to the financially frugal.

The tank is the obvious first choice. Followed next by the stand. On the stand, here is an opportunity to go custom. And I would build my stand at least 30" tall. Then I would build my canopy and lighting. Big DIY savings here. Total cost so far is not too much different than a typical freshwater system. Once at this point, you can even use your system for tropicals until you have gathered the rest of your equipment
Now I would get the biggest heavy duty plastic tub that I could get in my stand for a sump. Next I would get an overflow box for the back. This siphons water off the main tank, and sends it to the sump. Now you need pumps. Two nice moderate, (100-200gph), powerheads will work. We will place these in opposing corners. Now we need a larger pump for the main return from the sump. Lets say around 750gph give or take a little. Now that you have all your tanks and pumps, hard plumb them. It is fairly cheap to do, and well worth the effort. You are still running tropicals, Now you can place a DIY filter in your sump, and lose whatever you were running previously for the tropicals. Here is also where I would spring for the submersible heater for your sump, and get it out of the tank.

OK. A little summary here. You are now running a high tech tropical tank. This has helped keep you from being impatient. You really don't have much more money into it at this point than you would if it was a tropical fish tank

Now gather together this stuff, and put it in a closet till you have it all. First, buy a good quality plastic trash can. You will use this to mix saltwater and can store your further purchases in it, and later, your extra equipment.

Now we are getting to the most debated piece of hardware in a reef system. The skimmer. You can have a well planned DIY skimmer for under a hundred dollars, or spend easily, 400 bucks on a new high tech model. Recently gurus have gone to great lengths to prove that you can't overskim a tank. So get or build the largest one practical. That way, when you upgrade your tank,(trust me), you will be ok in this department.

You will want enough substrate to cover the bottom of the tank to about a four inch depth. I would purchase crushed arogonite for this. A 25lb bag should be close.

Next, I would get enough instant ocean sea salt to make at least 50 gallons of seawater.

Test kits. Get a master test kit, along with a good hygrometer.

The purpose of this article is to answer mostly financial, and equipment questions, Therefore, I will leave out the chemistry part of it. That doesn't cost you anything but a little sanity.

Now that you have gathered everything you ned for a fish only system, it is time to switch over.

Clean out your tank really well.

Fill your trash can with acceptable water. put a powerhead in it to circulate the water. Start adding salt. This is where you will be amazed. I was at the amount of salt there is in seawater. It will take a while for all the salt to dissolve. You may have to stir the can occasionally. A note here. Mix it on the light side. It is easier to add more salt later, than to try to thin it out.

Whike this is happening, add your substrate to your cleaned tank. 4" remember.

Now start adding your mixed water to the tank. Get it full, get all the pumps working properly, and turn your heater/s on. Once your tank is up to 78 degrees, and is crystal clear, check your salinity, adjust as necessary. Once your salinity and ph are good, you can add fish.

Here is where it is best to deal with a lfs that will let you return your fish after cycling. Among the best/hardiest fish to cycle with are Damsels. The are also inexpensive. I would get two for a tank this size.

Cycling is much the same as for tropical fish. The harmful waste to harmless waste conversion is the same.

I haven't run the skimmer yet because I want the beneficial bacteria to get a good foothold. Once all the tests show good, I can take my Damsels back, and get the fish I adore. Now is the time to start your skimmer.

You are now the proud owner of a Fish Only,(FO), system!

Now, you can add more lighting to your hood, and get some live rock. A pound here and a pound there. Just the good looking quality stuff.

You are now the proud owner of a Fish Only with Live Rock,(FOWL), tank.

Now you are starting to accumulate a lot of live rock. You may need another lighting upgrade, depending on how far you went the last two times. Once you get over a pound per gallon of live rock, you can remove all filter media. The live rock will harbor all the beneficial bacteria you need, and the skimmer will remove the excess organic compounds. Also, if your live rock has not successfully seeded your deep sand bed,(DSB), you will want to get a bag of live sand. This will introduce "critters" into your system. You are shooting for an ecological balance. You will need crabs, snails, sea cucombers, brittle stars, etc. Normally called a clean-up crew. You can get good package deals on these

You now are the proud owner of a Reef tank.

You can now start spending you childs college tuition on corals and many other cool things. But now chemistry really rears its ugly head. There are many parameters to keep up on when you get a full blown reef system with all the corals. But it is worth it.

This is a real basic set-up. Meant to be easily understood. Your research that I strongly advise you do will bring forth as many questions as answers. But there are many good places around ready with good advice. And reefers seem to be the most dedicated bunch there is.

That is his pinned sig in the marine and reef section, speaking of which, this post should be in marine and reef.Oh well, good luck!

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EDIT:(TAKE NOTE PLEASE) - Mods, it appears people are all the time asking about what is needed for a marine tank, I know Great Lakes has written up a reasonably detailed section on it, But can someone (a marine king most likely) write up a post on the EXACT things people would need for a mainre aquarium? Something like this,

1. Protein Skimmer
2. External FIlter
3.whatevr sand..
4.etc,etc..

It's just a little easier for the people simply wanting to look at the exact items and not going though a long lecture when they already know about it. :D

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I would just like to say that while all the other things you say may be true you dont need a proten skimmer and you dont really need 2 years xp to set up a marine tank. My flat mate liked my fresh water tank and decided to go all out and go marine. he has about a 250ltr tank with an external filter, a medium sump, several pumps to keep the water moving and a large amount of live rock. His tank has been up and running for about 6 months now and is looking better by the day. i would suggest you make sure you can afford all the kit needed before you start, it can be expensive.

Find some marine forums and read up, you should be fine :)

Good luck.
 
I would just like to say that while all the other things you say may be true you dont need a proten skimmer and you dont really need 2 years xp to set up a marine tank. My flat mate liked my fresh water tank and decided to go all out and go marine. he has about a 250ltr tank with an external filter, a medium sump, several pumps to keep the water moving and a large amount of live rock. His tank has been up and running for about 6 months now and is looking better by the day. i would suggest you make sure you can afford all the kit needed before you start, it can be expensive.

Find some marine forums and read up, you should be fine :)

Good luck.

Do you realise this post was made in 2003? :lol:
 

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