Starting A Marine Aquarium In Few Months

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Hi everybody I hope you can understand that I dont understand everything about clownfish but it will be my first marine animal that I will be taking care of because I am only about to start on the easiest creature to look after and not the hardest untill I am more experienced I can tackle that but what I need to be able to tackle is looking after the clownfish and what they need I need to do plenty of research and I just need some help on doing that. what shall I research first before I get these animals now I have done alot of research on reading books but I need some info about which is on the net so if you guys can help me and tell me all the things I need hopefully I wont be to hard with ya to help so I know its needs a salt meter and a mixer so can you just tell me anything else that I would need in hand for this exercise thank you.
 
Liverock ( 1lbs per gallon)
Skimmer
Test kits (Ammonia, Nitrate, Nitrite and PH )
Salt and Hydrometer (preferably a Refractometer)

RO water or better still an RO unit.
Cleanup Crew (1 per gallon of tank)

Dont try keeping an anenome as they are expert only creatures. No gaurentee that a clown will even accept an anenome.
 
question navarre. in really big situations, would you need to adhere to the 1lb per gallon live rock rule? Im talking about a 45-50 000g tank.

Also, would the cleanup crew multiply themselves? like, could you just leave them in an ideal environment with a starter group and allow them to breed?
 
Hopefully you do make the smart choice and start out with a reverse osmosis unit [special water purification], plus if you decide to keep corals later on, you will be prepared.

The only mixing needed with salt water is a powerhead ran in the bin you store the RO water in after you add salt. But due to the good solubility of the salt mixes, it is not completely necessary. All you need to do it stir it until there is none left on the bottom and after a couple minutes the water will turn completely clear.

The salt meter you are referring to is called a hydrometer, or a refractometer. The salt level should be maintained between 1.022-1.026. Some think 1.022 is too low, some think 1.026 is too high.

Liveaquaria.com is a good place to start research on different species of clowns, and you may find that another species appeals to you more than the nemo species [true percula]. Looking at the fish you want and researching them BEFORE buying the tank will help you decide on the equipment you need, and what size of tank you want. About 10 gallons per medium sized fish is reccommended.

Its good that you know about the importance of research. When you find a fish you like, google it and read all you can about them. You will feel more prepared and confident that you will keep them happy and healthy. This is a demanding hobby, time-wise and money-wise, and well worth it. The good thing is, the research is also fun.
 
yeah research is fun as guys but huh I have used hydrometers before on taking care of a seahorse that was almost about to die and I had to send it back to the pet shop and get 30 $ of my cash back for this animal I really wanted a salt water creature but I knew I was not ready yet for taking on a salt water hobby same as when i looked after my first goldfish they kept on dying I guess the clown fish the original marine fish is the fish i want to choose first then any other salt water marine fish there is the other salt water fishes that are just too hard to take care of you know some eat coral how bloody hard is that?? I just need the perfect fish to satrt off with my experience and build up to it plus I am going to a fish eduacation certifcate course in where I will be doing alot of study and research so i have got alot of learning to do you guys probley know more than me but after I take on my first tropical fishes I will go on with the more difficult tropical fishes in which I will be buying a 120 gallon tank which is 3 foot in height and 4 foot in length so once when I am finished with my training course and studying I will get into the fish and animal eduactaion course which will be fun!!! cant wait.....
 
Marine aquariums require a lot of work in the beginning. There are some areas where corners can be cut, and others where that is unwise. IMO, 'non-cuttable-corners' include:

-amount of live rock in your tank
-investing in a good skimmer
- a refractometer over a hydrometer
-testing equipment, ie, a good test kit over dipsticks
-good reliable heater
-using pure water (RO, RO/DI, distilled, natural SW)

To name a few. SH
 
ok. say we're talking a 50 000 gallon tank. It would take like a year, maybe 2 to cycle, then maybe another year for the live rock. in that case, couldnt you just use LR in the sump and in the tank and wouldnt it just spread to the sand? i mean, a year is a long time to get those colonies established right?
 
fifty thousand gallons? that is a big tank. I would still say that you need the live rock. If you mean fifty gallons, then yes, you still need 50lbs. I will be setting up a 90 gallon total system soon and I plan to try to get 125lbs - 150lbs in the three tanks.
 
yes, its approximately 30ft x 20ft x 8ft

wow, you would need that much live rock huh? THats looking at like, $ 25 000 in live rock alone ASSUMING you're getting a massive discount! And sharks like their tanks to be relatively rock free...maybe live sand would be a better idea.
 
I'd like to see you set up a tank this big, sadly i dont think you will... the largest "home" aquarium i have seen at 17 feet is massive, 30 feet is pointless, but not actually affordable for anyone on a an anywhere near normal income.

Ben
 
who says that i have a normal income? ;)

and that size is needed in order to keep some of the larger ram-ventilator sharks on the market (such as the sharpnose and the adult black tipped reef shark.)
 
who says that i have a normal income? ;)

and that size is needed in order to keep some of the larger ram-ventilator sharks on the market (such as the sharpnose and the adult black tipped reef shark.)


Well i wait with baited breath, but please make sure that if you are planning to keep sharks in your aquarium that they have been captive raised from a young age. Taking an adult black-tip reef shark from the wild is a horrific thing to do. Personally I would look into buying sharks at egg stage. This is by far the fairest way to raise a shark in a aquarium as it will not (unfortunately perhaps) know any better.

Ben
 
yes, well this is more of a long term project...i'll be sure to start a Doc-U-Build thread when i get underway. As for the shark idea, i will be starting from an egg, or i will buy farm-bred juv. fish from Florida. I will not be taking a wild shark into captivity.
 
Im afraid to say that the prices for liverock on a tank this size will probably be many times this amount. :crazy: The reason for this is because standard aquarium sized liverock will look like tiny pebbles in a tan of the size you are designing. You will need rocks that are specially collected (by crane usually) and then delivered to your doors and again usually craned into the tank as this is the only way to make the tank look natural. So you will need a special grade of rock size (expensive), handling and shipping with cranes at both ends (VERY expensive). I know of systems that are a fraction of the size you have mentioned and the liverock has cost them well over $100,000 and this was for transportation that didnt include airfreight as the tank was in the same country!

Most public aquariums dont even use liverock in their largest displays. This doesnt mean that it isnt the best filter for the job (cos it is) but the cost would simply put them out of business. Most will operate mechanical filtration, deeper sand beds etc. The skimmers for a tank this sixe would be astronimical.. i have an 8ft skimmer that is for a small public aquarium and this little beauty costs about £5000 brand new!!! Its regualted for about 1000 gallons so you will need 50 of them at this size. (I cant get mine into the house though cos its too large :angry: :*) ).

The we need to talk about flow. Ok a shark tank needs flow, good flow so the sharks can breath. No normal powrhead will achieve this and i would not like to even estimate the cost for this.
Then you need the alternative to the liverock as far as filtration is concerned. This would be mechanical.. probably a wet dry system somewhere else in the house etc. 50,000 gallons... i would aim for 5,000 for filtration and this is just a figure plucked out of the top of my head, i certainly wouldnt feel happier with a smaller volume of water taking the majority of the filtation on a 50,000 gallon system. I might even look for 10,000 to give me a 20% volume of filtration and a 10,000 gallon wetdry tank is collosal!

Then we need to aquascape. Unless you simply want a bare tank with sand for the sharks (which is ossible i guess) then some form of rock will be needed. Liverock is expensive as already mentioned so the alternative is ocean rock or something similar. It wont act as a filter of course but will give good effects on the eyes. However we then hit the same problem as before. You will need a special grade of size and as this rock is by far heavier than liverock, what you save on the rock in terms of costs will double if not treble the costs of shipping due to its size.. oh and yes you will definately need a crane to place these into position.

Lastly, a tank of this size usually doesnt have glass/acrylic on all sides, its made of concrete and only the viewing side is clear. This of course cuts down on costs but also makes the tank stronger. Having several tons of oceanrock/liverock on your glass/acrylic would terrify me no matter how thick it was. should one of these rock fall over then you will have a damaged tank there is no question.

This is a 17,000 ltr system.
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Its a display tank and i have visited this place in person. Its a stunning tank but obvioulsy its tiny compared to the one you want to create. Whilst this tank is a thing of beauty I can also tell you that this tanks running costs are £800 (about $1,300??) per quarter!!! :crazy:
This includes 12x 400w halides (which granted you wont need because your tank wont be a reef) but the sheer amount of electricity to run the powerheads and return pumps alone costs a fortune!

A 1200 gallon system
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A 3000 gallon system
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This is now in the area of using larger liverock for its visual effects.


The larger tank costs somewhere in the region of $150,000 to create so I am told :-(
 

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