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my dads ordered in some 3x3 wood to build a stand for my 5x3ft tank and just wondering on any tips on struture?

my dad puts togther furniture for a leaving and so can do his carpentry!

there has to be space in the middle to place the sump tank and there will be a 1 3/4 hole back middle where the tank is drilled for the sump.

pictres would be useful.
 
Here is some ideas of the 2 stands I built.

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More pictures of these stands can be found on my Woodworking page.
http://www.geocities.com/elgecko1989/Woodworking.html
 
very nice work you'ved done there.

I would of thought i'll need some cross bracing in the middle or something like that?

the tank need to stand about 3ft off the ground due to the pipe work and the sump it's self sitting under neath.

I take it making the complete box pinning the legs along the bottom makes it a nice and solid.....how high are your stands?
 
Do you mean 5 x 3ft as in 5 3ft tanks, or a single 5ft by 3ft tank? In either case, that is a lot of weight, 3" x 3" timber strikes me as a little thin, but I am notorious for over-engineering things
 
5X3 is going to be a lot of weight, but 3X3 is NOT too thin. In fact, it is probably overkill for the supporting columns.

Some numbers: A 2X4 beam, 4 ft free span(4 ft between supports) can typically support 450-600 lbs under very conservative requirements (minimum deflection or bending). The tables I typically use(I build furniture and do deck construction) don't have 3X3 but for a 3X4, 4 ft free span, typical conservative requirements yield 750-1000 lbs. A 4X4, 4ft free span can support 1000-1500 lbs.

Post: For post, there are 2 considerations, compression of the beam (crushing it from top to bottom) and deflection or bowing (beam bows out to the side). In this case, the tables used L/D where L = length of beam and D = diameter of narrowest cross-sectional dimension of the post....3 inches in your case. L will be roughly how tall your stand is. If your stand was 36 inches, your L/D value will be 12. Under these conditions, a typical construction wood (some kind of pine generally) the post could support 800+ pounds, again using very conservative values.

How many gallons is your tank? This value is needed to determine the total weight. Once you have the weight, you can then use the footprint dimension(length and width of the base) and come up with a design. I am guessing your tank is something over 180 GAL (A typical 180 is 5ft X 2ft X 2ft ROUGHLY). A full 180 weighs around 2100 lbs. Assuming the same depth and adding another foot of width, your tank is going to be over 3000 lbs. Given your wood dimension (3X3) and the footprint dimensions, I would probably have a post at each corner (duh!) and then 2 in between the corners on the front and 2 in between the corners on the back. Something like this:

X X X X



X X X X

Your beams are going to run across the tops of those. So, your unsupported span is going to be 5ft/3 or roughly 1.6 ft. In theory, you could get by with only 1 column in between for a 3 ft unsupported span, but with the 3X3s, I wouldn't do that myself. What I would do, if I was building it, would be to use 3X3s for the post and then get 2X6 for the beams. A typical 2X6, on a 4ft free span, can support between 1100 and 1500 lbs, conservatively (note that all of my numbers are very, very conservative... i.e. a 2X6 on a 4ft free span can actually support up to 2500 lbs, while only deflecting .1 inches. Given this, you could in theory, have a post at each corner with 2X6 beams along the edges and it would support your tank. However, for myself, I would NOT want to go that route. Anyway, I would get 2X6 beams, 3X3 post and then have a post at each corner, one in between on the front, one in between on the back. Something like this:

X X X


X X X

I would feel completely at ease having such setup in my house with no fear of failure.

Also, I would put in some stabilizing members.... cross members from front to back on both the top and the bottom. Maybe some diagonal braces on the sides running from the top of one post to the bottom of the next. All of these out of something like 1X4 or 1X6. These are NOT to support the total tank weight but just to provide extra stability from shear on the stand.

Hope all this helps.
 
wow thats aot of detail there bob, i'll give it a proper read when i get home, thanks very much.

the tank is 5x3x2FT and is 850litres wieghing a touch under 2tonne. It's going on a solid concrete floor so i don't need ot worry over that!!.

once again thanks for the info, i'll post again later once i'ved had a proper read.

ritey lesson over and just had a good read of that.

so what would need to be done is to make a solid box with 2 extra legs inbetween the corners on front and back with the 3x3 then for luck add some cross bracing mainly on sides and back as on the front i need to beable to get to my sump.

The tank will be sitting on a sheet of ply and poly sheets of course!
 
Sorry i didnt get back on your PM, i did read it but complete forgot about it by the time i was in from work :*)

My tank is very similar in dimensions to yours at 66x30x24" (LxWxH) and the stand is built from 3x2" stress graded treated timber with a 1" thick hardwood ply top, the sides are covered with 1/2 hardwood ply. The stand also houses four 20 gallon tanks and 3 canister filters underneath. The timber is all joined with high tensile screws that are usually used in decking construction

Here is a rough sketch plan i have done of the frame.

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I'll agree with Bob. A 3x3 is plenty thick, and a 2x4 will work for you. You will have to brace it underneath with more 2x4's than just at the corners, but what he's got looks more than enough. According to my references, the compressive strength of pine is somewhere around 5000 pounds per square inch. And that was the worst listed. So the legs are not the problem. The problem you'll run into is keeping the top board from flexing. Add a few legs in between your corners and you're golden.

And CFC, if you're really interested in a proper drawing...your top view should be above your front view. :lol: I know it's nit-picky, but I couldn't help myself. What you've got listed as your top view is actually your bottom view, which all comes out to the same thing regardless. An easy way to think about it is to picture your assembly or part in a bowl. Your front view will be sitting right at the bottom. Now roll the part up the bowl straight back and you've got your top view. Go back to your front view with the part sitting in the bottom of the bowl and roll your part to either side and you'll have both your side views. Do the same for the bottom view and when you do your drawings, place them in that order, working from your front view, top view is above it, bottom view is below it. Sorry, I'm just bored here at work and needed a break. :X
 
:lol: I just did that sketch in about 2 minutes to give paul a rough idea of how my stand is constructed, it was never meant to be used as actual plans otherwise i would have given proper measurements and a cutting list. Get back to work you nit picking sod :p
 
paul_v_biker said:
very nice work you'ved done there.

I would of thought i'll need some cross bracing in the middle or something like that?

the tank need to stand about 3ft off the ground due to the pipe work and the sump it's self sitting under neath.

I take it making the complete box pinning the legs along the bottom makes it a nice and solid.....how high are your stands?
Thanks for the comment.

The tanks are only a 29 and 40 gallon tank, so no other bracing was needed. If I had a 55 gallon or larger I would have made a center support, and depending on size more.

I like to use oak dowel rods over screws and nails to hold my frames together.
My stands are 31" and 29 1/2" high.
 
So what do I know about wood! (CSE Grade 4 Woodwork actually!). I make my stands from 25mm square section tubular construction steel.
 
Oh well CFC, got the info out of you in the end!!

Thats quite a thick top, I'm not sure what my dads got planned for the top, I'ved let him take charge of building that really, i'll just pay the bills :whistle:

I'll check over the plans with my dad before he does start to build as he tends to do that......just take over.

i',m still trying to think of ideas of how to get my sump out if i need to, the filter wool and powerheads are going to need to be accessible and i can' see it being like lifting a external filter!!, i'd have to drain it down completly. so trying to incorparate a roller tray bit.
 
well my stand is being built as i type, well the finishing touches.....screwing the top down.

and it's made me realise how big the tank actually is :blink:

i'll take some pics as soon as it's finished, just delivered a cup of tea to my dad!!wooo go dad!!
 

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