Some More New Additions

[drewry]

i was going to my local lfs for some frozen foods and other stuff
and i noteced 5 panda corydoras looking at me lol so i got them they were priced up at £3.99 each but after a bit of hagling i got them for £2.50 each there not very big only 2cm in length
took some pics but there not very good as i can only do it through my web cam and they wouldent stay still

 

[jollysue]

Those are pandas all right! LOL They are the cutest little dickens. Panda babies always look like pandas.

 

[drewry]

yeah jollysue they do
iv never keept these before and iv heard there pretty delicate

 

[jollysue]

They can be. I have wild caught, aquarium breeders and farm bred. I have found only the farm bred (think puppy mill) ones to be especially sensitive. The farm bred pandas have often been inter bred with hormones to stimulate them to breed more. It will depend to a large degree on the source of the lps pandas, ime. But I mixed my wild caught and breeder's group (I got them from a breeder, and I don't know if they are wild caught or F! or what, but they are not farm bred), and they are a very hardy group that breed frequently and give me beautiful babies.

I have a few left from a group I got from my lps a few years ago. They have never reached normal adult size or bred. They have died suddenly with no symptoms or sickness. I keep them separated from my breeders and just give them a comfortable home.

On the positive note, I just sold a nice small group (about twelve) of my juvie pandas to my lps. So the lps gets hearty home aquarium bred as well as the farm bred. If they are the farm bred, they won't handle stress well and any change can stress the. They won't likely live 25 years. But they will be cute as the dickens!

 

[drewry]

well ill let them settle in for a few days before i do any water changes to minimise stress

 

[jollysue]

When I said changes, I didn't mean water changes necessarily. LOL I mean't like new tank mates, getting moved around, changes in water conditions like ph and permanent temperature change--like that.

 

[Cory_Dad]

Jollysue, on the topic of 'farm bread' fish and them not being as hardy as wild caught or as prolific in breading, does that mean that any of their offspring will have those same traits or will they revert back to being normal? Of course I'm assuming the offspring are born and raised in a healthy aquarium environment (like mine?).

Inquiring minds want to know...

 

[drewry]

When I said changes, I didn't mean water changes necessarily. LOL I mean't like new tank mates, getting moved around, changes in water conditions like ph and permanent temperature change--like that.

lol
i did do a water change on the tank the same day as i put them in with roughly the same temp water as not to stress them to mutch ,
there in the quarintine tank at the minite with the 6 blacks as i dont know what tank there going to go in yet i may decide just to leave them in there or put them in my main tanks once they get the all clear

 

[jollysue]

I can't really answer the question, Cory_Dad. I am inclined myself not to further the line. I don't mix my farm pandas with my breeders, although they may have contibuted to my recent long fin panda spawns. I will separate those fry and most likely take them to the lps.

That would be a good question for the Big Dogs, and I would be interested in the answer.

Just as a guess, I am inclined to believe that serious breeders would not want to use them or buy them for breeding purposes. The genetics would be questioned.

For my own tanks I would be willing to keep the fry for tropical communities. I might take them to the lps. But I would not offer them on Aqua Bid, for instance. When I buy on AB I want quality fish for breeding. I want bonefides. If I sell a Cory I want to be able to say what it is and how it was bred. When I sell my longipinnus, I want to know that I am selling F1 or F2 fish that are what I say they are.

I have lps peppers, aeneus and sterbai. They all breed, but I would not sell any of them on AB. I would sell them for a community tank or to the LPS and do add them to my non breeding tanks.

There is always the suspicion of hormone inducements and inbreeding, which are suggested to increase genetic problems.

Cory folk for the most part don't approve of hybrids and line breeding.