Sick Guppy?

So today I was looking at my fish and noticed that a different male is suddenly lethargic... Earlier he was pretty spunky. I noticed that the temp had somehow dropped down to 76 I normally keep it at 78 but it was at 80 last night because the other male has been sick. Somehow my heaters came unplugged in both tanks... those are now plugged back in and I cranked up the airstone because he is kind of gasping...

Checked the water levels:
ammonia-.2
nitite- 0
nitrate- 4.0

Doing a 50% water change for the ammonia... hope this helps
 
Okay... I just don't know what to do. The bump is bigger. The bump seems to be below his scales?, yet not like completely internal.... I can't brush it off... in fact he may not make it through the night, he is very contorted. I have covered the tank to try to calm him down, aside from the bump he hasn't shown any other symptoms. I really don't know what to do. He is so beautiful and I would hate to see him suffer.

Please help me
 
Now my dwarf frog is floating at the top of the tank. He is alive but BARELY moving.... idk what to do.
I checked the water and the ammonia level is 0
The only thing I can think is that he was affected by the high temperature I had for the sick guppy... I turned down the temp and will let the water slowly cool. The temp was 84
 
Can I ask how you are getting readings of 0.2, 0.15 etc. for ammonia with the API kit. Its lowest reading is 0.25 and anything below that would be hard to gauge. It's probably no help to your problem but I'm interested.

Also are you aware of the niggle with the API nitrate kit where you have to bash bottle number 2 on a hard surface a few times to loosen the precipitate that forms in it? You then have to shake the bottle really well for thirty seconds. If you don't do this you may get a wrong reading.
 
I am guesstimating based on color... its not quite .25 but its not 0 either... Yes I know to bash the bottle etc.

My frog is dying I need help... I really dont know what to do with my frog... He is just floating on the surface rarely swimming
 
It's the salt! This is a freshwater aquarium, no salt needed, and ADFs are particularly sensitive to it.

make a large water change to remove it, making sure the new water is dechlorinated and temperature matched, and leave out the easy balance too.
 
I think about the time you were posting this I was running to fill a 3 gallon bucket with new salt free water. I added the easy balance and the easy start stuff whatever it is that takes out chlorine and put him straight away into the bucket... He was floating upside down on the surface... Didn't think it would matter to try to acclimate him, best to just get him out of the salt... He is already starting to show more signs of life the water is 78. OMG I can't believe I am watching him swim already. I brought the bucket to my desk so I can keep an eye on him. I am going to do a MASSIVE water change in the tank.

Why an lfs would sell a flounder and frog together is beyond me!!!! I am so angry at them right now and at myself for even thinking a frog could tolerate brackish water. I may end up setting up a 3 or 5 gallon tank with straight freshwater fish, and then leaving a SMALL amount of salt in my 10 gallon for the guppies and flounder.
 
Your guppies don't need salt either, just for future reference. I'm not all that familiar with flounders.
 
I know they don't "need" it but they do like it and it has helped repair a guppy's fin that was missing part of when I got her. The flounder does need salt though... well at least everything I have read says it is a brackish fish which angers me because I was told it would need no salt. I've already changed the bottom of the tank for that stinking flounder (I love him, I really do), I just don't know what to do.. Maybe I should put the flounder in his own tank and the frog in with the guppies? I just don't know.

Just a suggestion to post the problem with your frog in the
Invertebrates, Amphibians & Aquatic Reptiles Forum. You might get a better response.


THANKS FOR THE LINK! I posted straight away over there :)
 
It's not a bad thing for a short period of time, i.e., to help with the torn fin. But it's devilishly hard to keep the balance perfect, and they're raised in the LFS as a freshwater fish. Like I said, for future reference.

Maybe you can do a brackish tank and get yourself some fiddler crabs!
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I'm worried about the fact that they sold the frog, too, since not all frogs are suitable to keep in the same tank with fishes; their poo is poisonous to fishes. Just can't remember which ones...
The habitat is not the best for the frog anyway:

"It is commonly suggested that these frogs be kept in a group of two or more to their social nature. A minimum of two gallons per frog (since they are each around two inches when streched out) is needed to keep these frogs, as they are very active and need the space to move. Despite being fully aquatic, the African dwarf frog still needs to be able to reach the surface to breathe. Very high or deep tanks over 20 inches in height are not recommended. These amphibians are not great swimmers, so water currents should be kept low. Very deep tanks may pose a challenge to their ability to breathe. In the wild, the Congo forest floods yearly to a depth of 24 or more inches. So anything less than that will be suitable. They also should be kept in an enclosure with a secure cover to prevent escape and plenty of hiding spaces as in the wild they tend to be prey to a variety of animals and causes skittish behaviour in open spaces. The optimum water temperature for aquatic frogs is 75–82 °F. The pH value in the tank should be maintained between 6.5 – 7.5.

These frogs cannot survive out of water for longer than 20 minutes in low humidity as they will dry out.

They are compatible with most bottom feeders and algae eaters. Respectful tropical fish can also be used as tank mates, although aggressive fish will often fight or injure the frogs. As African dwarves are slow eaters, it is not uncommon for tankmates to eat all the food while the frogs go hungry. If this becomes a problem, methods of delivering the food directly to the bottom of the tank (such as with a turkey baster) should be employed to ensure the frogs are adequately fed."

Wikipedia
 
I'm worried about the fact that they sold the frog, too, since not all frogs are suitable to keep in the same tank with fishes; their poo is poisonous to fishes. Just can't remember which ones...
The habitat is not the best for the frog anyway:

"It is commonly suggested that these frogs be kept in a group of two or more to their social nature. A minimum of two gallons per frog (since they are each around two inches when streched out) is needed to keep these frogs, as they are very active and need the space to move. Despite being fully aquatic, the African dwarf frog still needs to be able to reach the surface to breathe. Very high or deep tanks over 20 inches in height are not recommended. These amphibians are not great swimmers, so water currents should be kept low. Very deep tanks may pose a challenge to their ability to breathe. In the wild, the Congo forest floods yearly to a depth of 24 or more inches. So anything less than that will be suitable. They also should be kept in an enclosure with a secure cover to prevent escape and plenty of hiding spaces as in the wild they tend to be prey to a variety of animals and causes skittish behaviour in open spaces. The optimum water temperature for aquatic frogs is 75–82 °F. The pH value in the tank should be maintained between 6.5 – 7.5.

These frogs cannot survive out of water for longer than 20 minutes in low humidity as they will dry out.

They are compatible with most bottom feeders and algae eaters. Respectful tropical fish can also be used as tank mates, although aggressive fish will often fight or injure the frogs. As African dwarves are slow eaters, it is not uncommon for tankmates to eat all the food while the frogs go hungry. If this becomes a problem, methods of delivering the food directly to the bottom of the tank (such as with a turkey baster) should be employed to ensure the frogs are adequately fed."

Wikipedia

If I were to do a 90% water change to remove as much salt as possible and move the flounder to a brackish water tank would the frog then be okay with the guppies? Would the flounder be okay without salt as I am not sure the school will allow my room to have another tank?
 

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