Shipping Fish (f/k/a Fishing Ship Lol)

[Night61]

Tolak is a very good friend of mine, and has stepped up on several occasions for me in the past. i have remain quiet on this topic because i have been attacked or ignored in the past after i spoke up. as someone who has had there shipment payment delayed by means that the recivee claims was not his fault. i am cautious now about who i send my snails off to. i forgive easily and now me an the recivee on on good terms. Tolak was just trying to protect you and other sellers from having the same result, sending items and not reciving shipment. you are a very arrogant and rude individual, if you had spent any time on this forum you would know that tolak he is more then a mod or adim but a friend he is a good man and does not deserve the attack you have launched against him. and frankly i don't care if this post gets me in trouble with the mod team, if you do not like how the ADIM runs this forum or dispenses very good advice i suggest you leave.
this forum is full of good people who dispense good advice, it is up to the individual to ignore it or not, but when advice is given attacks should not be launched. he did not interject himself, he posted on an open topic which everyone could see and comment on. just like i have the freedom to post this. this is a website where ideas and advice is dispense freely, if members start feeling like they will be attacked for an opinion different then the herds then the site falls apart.
i think you should breath take what every step back you need to and reread tolaks helpful advice, you will see the advice is good.
thank you

 

[rabbut]

^^ That is certainly one way of putting it. I'm struggling to see the malice you claim to be present in Tolak's post, so please, do enlighten us on what he's actually posted that's insulting. All he's done is offer fish postage advice and also advised you to keep as much detail over your sale on the forum, such that you can get help from the Admin/mod team should the sale fall into difficulty, since it is now clear that the sale is between two members. You appear to have assumed that this advice to keep your transaction safe was advice not to trade with the other member. This clearly isn't what Tolak was trying to say. Try cooling for for a few minutes and try re-reading his posts with a calm head. I'm sure you'll fail to see the malice like the rest of us if you do

 

[boohag]

Tolak is a very good friend of mine, and has stepped up on several occasions for me in the past. i have remain quiet on this topic because i have been attacked or ignored in the past after i spoke up. as someone who has had there shipment payment delayed by means that the recivee claims was not his fault. i am cautious now about who i send my snails off to. i forgive easily and now me an the recivee on on good terms.

Boohag: Thank you for proving my point. The transaction you refer to was the one evidenced in the link Tolak posted. However, it obviously did not include the fact that the problem was resolved, much less that you were now on amicable terms with the receiver. Somehow Tolak failed to mention that fact, and is proof positive of his intent in posting the links.

Tolak was just trying to protect you and other sellers from having the same result, sending items and not reciving shipment. you are a very arrogant and rude individual, if you had spent any time on this forum you would know that tolak he is more then a mod or adim but a friend he is a good man and does not deserve the attack you have launched against him. and frankly i don't care if this post gets me in trouble with the mod team, if you do not like how the ADIM runs this forum or dispenses very good advice i suggest you leave.

Boohag: No, "rude" would be attempting to malign another member with misleading information, such as happened in your case. No one would have known that the end result was positive - not from the link Tolak provided, and that was by specific design. I don't dislike Tolak, I simply will not remain mute when my simple post was used as a vehicle to smear another member, obviously unjustified according to your own account. I will speak out, although I can see why you would like me to leave - I call attention to the obvious, rather than fall in, much less defend this kind of behavior, be he friend or foe.

this forum is full of good people who dispense good advice, it is up to the individual to ignore it or not, but when advice is given attacks should not be launched. he did not interject himself, he posted on an open topic which everyone could see and comment on. just like i have the freedom to post this. this is a website where ideas and advice is dispense freely, if members start feeling like they will be attacked for an opinion different then the herds then the site falls apart.
i think you should breath take what every step back you need to and reread tolaks helpful advice, you will see the advice is good.
thank you

Boohag: I concur. Apparently, the "herd" will defend all manner of malicious behavior, simple because the perpetrator happens to be a "friend."

 

[Night61]

the end result was positive eventually not after two weeks of my money being with held and i had to fight the case though paypal. i had to be nice because other wise forum members NOT the mods would ignore me. the mods were EXTREMELY helpful during this time and i DOUBT i would have gotten the positive results if it was not for Tolak.
NO member of this forum who trades or sells fish or snails should have to fight for there payments because the Recivee claims to be scammer.
i am give advice to this person now only because i care about the health of the animals i sent to his care.

and i have never considered myself part of the herd, but i will always defend a friend if i know he is right and is being wrongfully attacked.
the only one i see being malicious right now is YOU

 

[boohag]

^^ That is certainly one way of putting it. I'm struggling to see the malice you claim to be present in Tolak's post, so please, do enlighten us on what he's actually posted that's insulting. All he's done is offer fish postage advice and also advised you to keep as much detail over your sale on the forum, such that you can get help from the Admin/mod team should the sale fall into difficulty, since it is now clear that the sale is between two members. You appear to have assumed that this advice to keep your transaction safe was advice not to trade with the other member. This clearly isn't what Tolak was trying to say. Try cooling for for a few minutes and try re-reading his posts with a calm head. I'm sure you'll fail to see the malice like the rest of us if you do

"Struggle not." Tolak posted links to a transaction wherein the seller had a problem with payment for her snails. In the end, payment was received and/or the situation was resolved, as evidenced by her own admission to that fact in this thread. However, that FACT was not contained in the links provided, and made it appear that love4aquatic had NEVER paid. Are you saying that Tolak innocently forgot to mention this? No malice intended?

I do not NEED help from an administrator. This was never meant to be on this forum in the first place, and the only reason (or should I say opening for Tolak) was the fact that love4aquatic mentioned in passing that he was the receiver. And guess what? He addressed someone who had posted very technical information on how best to acclimate your fish when you "receive" them. One comment, "I am the receiver," resulted in a hornet's nest. Tolak must parse every word of every single post love4aquatic makes, looking for an "in."

No transaction was ever mentioned here, and I take offense when I am accused of breaking some "rule." This is a gift to love4aquatic and doesn't REQUIRE any "negotiation." We have been discussing this via email for MONTHS. I was the one who started this thread with a simple question. Had I known of Tolak's dislike for love4aquatic or the extent to which he willing to go to defame him, believe me I would have spared love4aquatic from it and not posted my question at all.

The bottom line is, both love4aquatic and myself were accused of negotiating here, and chastised for not taking it to a "sales" thread. This, even though we had spoken not a single word to each other. And then Tolak takes it upon himself to post links which contain half-truths, with the intent to insult love4aquatic, and make him appear a thief. The other side of THAT transaction just posted that the situation was remedied satisfactorily to all parties. Again, just an oversight by Tolak? I think not.

 

[boohag]

the end result was positive eventually not after two weeks of my money being with held and i had to fight the case though paypal. i had to be nice because other wise forum members NOT the mods would ignore me. the mods were EXTREMELY helpful during this time and i DOUBT i would have gotten the positive results if it was not for Tolak.
NO member of this forum who trades or sells fish or snails should have to fight for there payments because the Recivee claims to be scammer.
i am give advice to this person now only because i care about the health of the animals i sent to his care.

and i have never considered myself part of the herd, but i will always defend a friend if i know he is right and is being wrongfully attacked.
the only one i see being malicious right now is YOU

You fail to explain why such a person would not be banned from this site, especially considering Tolak's "concern" for other members. If I ran a forum, I would bounce a dishonest member immediately. However, that was not done and he is still allowed to post, which begs the question, if he is such a dishonest person, why would he still be allowed to post? That in itself makes me question the veracity of your claims.

As far as maliciousness, I cannot help you with your critical thinking deficit. Sorry.

 

[rabbut]

Allow me to do some quoting...

And then Tolak takes it upon himself to post links which contain half-truths, with the intent to insult love4aquatic, and make him appear a thief. The other side of THAT transaction just posted that the situation was remedied satisfactorily to all parties. Again, just an oversight by Tolak? I think not.

the end result was positive eventually not after two weeks of my money being with held and i had to fight the case though paypal.
NO member of this forum who trades or sells fish or snails should have to fight for there payments because the Recivee claims to be scammer.

Now, I'm no person to judge, as I clearly don't have all the facts, however, it would appear from what is in public view that Sailornight6 only has the funds from the transaction with love4aquatic because he posted the shipping number to Paypal, and they decided in his favour after investigating the matter. Now, this may or may not be the case, maybe I've mis-understood sailornight6's post, but until I'd cleared that up with sailornight6, I'd be wary about trading with love4aquatic. Sorry love4aquatic if you had made an honest mistake with that transaction, or if I've picked up the wrong end of the stick.

In conclusion, Tolak's warning about a previous transaction may or may not be relevant or valid to you if you aren't exchanging cash at any point, but it would be something I'd like to be aware of before passing any money in love4aquatics direction, just so that I could get to find out from both parties what was going on and make an informed decision about how risky a transaction I was about to make was... Chances are, that was a genuine mistake and love4aquatic intended no harm on sailornight6 when s/he posted that claim (was likely an issue with a different seller going on in the background for a different transaction, with which love4aquatic got confused with, and accidentally posted a dispute on the wrong transaction), but I would like to know for certain what went on before trading with someone against which there has been a complain made in the past

Once again, if I have the wrong end of the stick here, I apologise

All the best
Rabbut

 

[boohag]

Allow me to do some quoting...

And then Tolak takes it upon himself to post links which contain half-truths, with the intent to insult love4aquatic, and make him appear a thief. The other side of THAT transaction just posted that the situation was remedied satisfactorily to all parties. Again, just an oversight by Tolak? I think not.

the end result was positive eventually not after two weeks of my money being with held and i had to fight the case though paypal.
NO member of this forum who trades or sells fish or snails should have to fight for there payments because the Recivee claims to be scammer.

Now, I'm no person to judge, as I clearly don't have all the facts, however, it would appear from what is in public view that Sailornight6 only has the funds from the transaction with love4aquatic because he posted the shipping number to Paypal, and they decided in his favour after investigating the matter. Now, this may or may not be the case, maybe I've mis-understood sailornight6's post, but until I'd cleared that up with sailornight6, I'd be wary about trading with love4aquatic. Sorry love4aquatic if you had made an honest mistake with that transaction, or if I've picked up the wrong end of the stick.

In conclusion, Tolak's warning about a previous transaction may or may not be relevant or valid to you if you aren't exchanging cash at any point, but it would be something I'd like to be aware of before passing any money in love4aquatics direction, just so that I could get to find out from both parties what was going on and make an informed decision about how risky a transaction I was about to make was... Chances are, that was a genuine mistake and love4aquatic intended no harm on sailornight6 when s/he posted that claim (was likely an issue with a different seller going on in the background for a different transaction, with which love4aquatic got confused with, and accidentally posted a dispute on the wrong transaction), but I would like to know for certain what went on before trading with someone against which there has been a complain made in the past

Once again, if I have the wrong end of the stick here, I apologise

All the best
Rabbut

Sorry doesn't matter when you brand a person a thief, and broadcast it on a public forum. I no longer want to be a part of this forum. I'm afraid something may happen and I will likewise be branded with "selective" links, for impartiality is nonexistent here. I'll find good homes for my babies elsewhere. Enjoy your cliche.

 

[nosoup4you]

Just to clarify things a bit, Love4 is a juvenile. From what I gather, she/he made the purchases on the account of an adult family member without permission. When the family member discovered the charges, the disputes were initiated.

There was no malice in Tolak's post. It was not one isolated incident, there have been others. He was just trying to save you some possible trouble.

 

[rabbut]

That would certainly explain things if that was what went on. There is a lesson there kids, ask your folks before using their Paypal account

 

[Inchworm]

This thread has gone off topic to the point that it is inappropriate for the Tropical Discussion forum. I will be closing it, at least temporarily, until Tolak returns and can reply to the comments that have already been made.

 

[Tolak]

Taken to pm, as this is the proper area for off topic discussions. I don't feel any replies to comments are needed here.