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Rope fish doing great!

Haven't added apple yet but the meal worms have gone nuts over the oatmeal addition. I have more of the worms than I did a week ago. I just don't often keep apples and haven't been to the grocery store in over a week. I wounder if the beasties would like raisins... and or melons or berries. :dunno: I'm probably hitting the grocery store tomorrow. As to apples is there a preference as to type. If I were doing a pie I'd do Granny Smith but, if just eating I'd do Golden Delicious.

As is I'm about to put the meal worm container in my fridge to make them dormant. Already I have bunches of the beasties.
Yeah they will eat all of them too!
I don't think so, probably a teeny but of an eating apple you don't want to eat would be fine!
Or carrots, or something!
 
To add on to my last post I just got out some meal worms to feed my rope fish and found a few beetles. I have no idea as to where they came from but wonder if I should keep as food or pull out. Anyone happen to know what this beastie happens to be?

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Did some on-line searches and the beetle seems to be the adult version of a meal worm. Just like a maggot ends up being a fly. Still wonder if they would make good cichlid food if I can ever find my cichlids... I will assume the appearance of the beetles is an indication that my meal worm farm is doing OK.

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Woah nice yes your mealworms are doing VERY well!
 
Umm the beetles are mealworms so they shouldn't eat them.
I don't know if the cichlids will eat them though. They might if you chop them up. I don't know that bit though!
 
Umm the beetles are mealworms so they shouldn't eat them.
I don't know if the cichlids will eat them though. They might if you chop them up. I don't know that bit though!
OK, thanks. :) And I got an apple. ;)

I just didn't/don't know what you meant by "Yeah they will eat all of them too!".

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Hmmm, Mayhaps Rope Fish eat meal worm beetles. I tossed in a beetle and it was floating in a calm eddy in my water flow and I looked back and the beetle was gone. A LOT of times I don't see my rope hit food but the beetle is gone. I'm sure that the Panda Garras didn't take it out.
 
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It is confirmed that a rope will happily eat meal worm beetles. :) I put in another beetle but shook it in the water to remove any trapped air bubbles so it would sink. As it sank it attached to a plant leaf. Probably drowned after attiching but it was still there. I kept a close watch and saw the rope hit the beetle.

I'm thinking about no longer keeping these worms in a container with holes. Just did a search and found that meal worms are a favorite protein source for my cockatiel. I think I may think out an open container and keep the worms in my cockatiel's penthouse. At the least I need to dig out the beetles and get the worms in my fridge as the population is increasing at a surprising rate. :) Fridge makes them alive but dormant.

And as to my rope, Clyde, being my aquatic child here is a face shot. How can one not love this face? He LOVES weaving around in the plants and cave system. :)

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I wish I could figure out an effective way to feed earth worms to my rope. When he sees the things he gobbles them up like crazy but they usually quickly burrow into the substrate before he knows they are there. I wonder if I could build a sort of open cage out of sterile nylon mesh with weights that I could just pit a couple of earth worms on the mesh and lower to his favorite part of the tank. The mesh would prevent the earth worms from getting to the substrate... Something for me to think about. Use the mesh as a sort of open net with a split shot sinker clamped in the middle would make it sink but I'd need to come up with a way to make the mesh stay open instead of folding on itself.

Hmmm, possible solution... Make a shallow frame that is ridged with the mesh over the bottom and sides. Make it square with a weight in each corner. I would just have to lower the food tray slowly from an attached line to keep the worms from floating out. As to weights I still have some plant weights that are not in use. Hmmm, this could actually be viable but I'd have to figure out what material to use for the frame. I have a fair amount of coaxial cable and the core would be ideal but it is copper and I'd rather not use copper. I'm sure that I could come up with something... Shoot, cut up a wire clothes hanger to use as the frame. Probably would not even need weights.

Sorry, just thinking and rambling. ;)
 
Interesting thing tonight... With going so heavy with my live plants I have been intentionally over feeding to add plant food to the substrate. I mean I have been heavily over feeding.

I just did about a 30% water change using a siphon to get to as much of the substrate as I could between plants. What was interesting is that the water I removed was just VERY slightly brownish, almost clear. It seems that the plants are sucking up as much over feeding as I can give.

I will admit that this is my first fully planted tank but it seems that the plants make a BIG difference. When I say heavily planted I mean just that. It is a 20 gallon cube with the following...
2X Broad leaf chain swords
2X SagittariaDwarfs in 'bunches'.
1X driftwood with an Anubias mounted.
1X Spider wood driftwood.
1X Myrio Green.
1X Golden Melon Sword.
1X Sag dwarf.
1X Limno Hippo.
1X Red Tiger Lotus.
2X Radican Variegated Sword.2X Hornwort Bunches.
2X Amazon Sword.
5-10 other plants that I really have no clue.

LOL! I would think that qualifies as heavily planted and they are all thriving. The fact that they are thriving REALLY surprises me as I have a very black thumb. :)
I'm really happy to hear that they're doing so well! And the fish and plants are working out, and that you're having success after the awful experience you went through with it! You've put a lot of thought, love and money into setting it up again, and it shows. :)

But you worry me a bit when you say you've over-feeding the fish, to give the plant more food... Danger, Will Robinson, Danger!
While some excess fish food will be broken down by snails, microcritters, bacteria etc and go into the mulm that plants will feed from, as you've seen since, too much excess food is going to result in high nitrates! Even if the water looks clear. Lots of the plants you've listed, namely, the swords, really need root tablet fertilisers. They're greedy feeders, and fish food isn't formulated to feed plants. There are minerals and nutrients that plants need that will be in the root tabs, and in liquid ferts for any non-root feeders. When used in sparing amounts, following the directions on the packet, they won't spike your water parameters the way excess fish food does. Since you have a large fish that eats a lot of live food, while that's great for him, more food in means more waste out - and it's not a big tank, so nitrates can get high pretty fast.
Panda Garras were fine through all this and remain as active as ever. I swear these things are aquatic hummingbirds, they just don't stop. I didn't initially intend to get Panda Garras but I am SO glad that I did! I really like plecos and corys but my gravel substrate is not the best for either. Since the Pandas seem to not bother a lot with the substrate yet devour algae they seem to be a good compromise. :)
Yay! Glad you're happy with them :) How many are there?
With a rope fish and panda garrass in there, aren't you pretty much fully stocked now? Wondering if adding cichlid is wise.
Sigh, now if I could only find a source for the dwarf Cichlids I want I would be a totally happy camper. :)

I will say that I love wetplants.com for what I've gotten as to plants and wood but there have been a few critters hitching rides. From some plants I have some bladder snails but they have not been an issue. I think My rope fish may be eating some. With my latest addition from wetplants.com a worm seems to have hitched a ride. I've only seen one and I think it is a type that begins with a 'D' but I'm not to search the actual name. It was a little 1/4-3/8 inch white critter wiggling vertically while floating through the tank's current.

We're making little ecosystems, so micro-critters like detritus worms are inevitable. Most are harmess, and even beneficial! :)
I'm sorry for all the rambling in this post but I'm just totally thrilled with how things are going with my tank after forgetting about all the new stuff and just going with what I know from old times. Ya, I AM using the tank's built in sponge filtration but the main system is under gravel.
I'm so happy that you're so happy with it! :D Live plants are definitely wonderful, I think I remember you were wary about adding them? Because you say you have a black thumb? I might be mis-remembering though! But I'm similar, tend to be rubbish with house plants, but my aquatic and outdoor plants usually do pretty well. :)
But remember that aquatic plants tend to take up a lot of the ammonia produced by the fish, before the filter bacteria can get to it. But most of them won't take up nitrAte, so you still need to do water changes to bring that down.

I wish I could figure out an effective way to feed earth worms to my rope. When he sees the things he gobbles them up like crazy but they usually quickly burrow into the substrate before he knows they are there. I wonder if I could build a sort of open cage out of sterile nylon mesh with weights that I could just pit a couple of earth worms on the mesh and lower to his favorite part of the tank. The mesh would prevent the earth worms from getting to the substrate... Something for me to think about. Use the mesh as a sort of open net with a split shot sinker clamped in the middle would make it sink but I'd need to come up with a way to make the mesh stay open instead of folding on itself.

Hmmm, possible solution... Make a shallow frame that is ridged with the mesh over the bottom and sides. Make it square with a weight in each corner. I would just have to lower the food tray slowly from an attached line to keep the worms from floating out. As to weights I still have some plant weights that are not in use. Hmmm, this could actually be viable but I'd have to figure out what material to use for the frame. I have a fair amount of coaxial cable and the core would be ideal but it is copper and I'd rather not use copper. I'm sure that I could come up with something... Shoot, cut up a wire clothes hanger to use as the frame. Probably would not even need weights.

Sorry, just thinking and rambling. ;)

Target train him to tweezers. Get a pair of long aquascaping tweezers, or an aquascaping kit that includes the long scissors too, since you have live plants you'll likely need them anyway! Can hold the worm with the tweezers and gently wiggle it. Since the tweezers are long, fish is more likely to take the food from them rather than your hand.
Could also use something like a shrimp dish to put the worm in:
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Or can get something like these dishes below, or even those little planting bowls that suction to the side of the tank that people are using now. Saw someone use one of those to feed a fish.
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Oh, I don't over feed any more. That was just when I first got the plants. I think the nitrate spike was actually just the finishing stages of the nitrogen cycle and has been steadily dropping.

I DO have root tabs going along with liquid nutrients about once or twice a week.

There are 4 Panda Garras. I don't think the cichlids will hurt as I've pretty much given up on what I initially wanted and am looking a a species, L. araguaiae (image below), that only to about 1 3/4 inches according to Seriously Fish. My main concern with that is that if gotten they would only be around 3/4 inch and I'm afraid my rope may see them as food.
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Ya, I know, my basket thing for feeding is kind of silly but I bet it would work. ;) I actually agree on the tweezers to start feeding. I've done that with ropes in the past. Over time you keep bringing the worm closer to the surface tapping your finger on the water as a vibration signal to let the beastie know there is food. Once you are feeding close to the surface it is a small step to where you are hand feeding. Off and on I've been looking at 'tool kits' but the reviews for most I've seen are not good to say least. I DO need to get a kit though. Mayhaps I'll do better looking at individual items instead of a kit. I want tweezers, scissors and a grabber.
 
ARGGG! ;) $63.96 later and I should have 4 L. araguaiae tomorrow or Friday. As of this morning nitrates were down to ~20 so this should finish the tank. I got them through Dan's Fish. Glad that I live next to their warehouse so I don't have to pay shipping. Dan's didn't have any ropes in stock so I ended up paying ~$26.00 for mine but shipping was ~$50.00.

Color won't be the same as the image above in my last post but I believe this to be due to my getting juveniles. Here is an image from their sale page. Even though mostly yellow you can see some of the colors starting in the fins and tail. They will be in the area of 3/4 inch but I requested the largest they have so could be around 1 inch. I was worried about the size with my having a rope fish but they should be around the same size as my Panda Garras when purchased and there were no issue between the rope and Pandas. LOL! If anything the Pandas seem to like to pester the rope now and then but he just ignores them. When the rope is out and about the Pandas will sometimes group around him but he just ignores them. If the rope wants a chunk of a protein pellet I put in and the Pandas are swarming on the pellets he just pushes through them and takes what he wants with no visible hostility from either side. While extroverts Pandas are friendly and, while a predator, ropes are quite docile and sort of friendly as long as the other fish is large enough to not easily fit in the mouth.

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Oh, to add to the above, one may wonder why I got new fish with my nitrates high but they no longer really are. Current test which I'm waiting on the ammonia results, and then to do the nitrite test. Following will be the results. I expect to see no issues.

Nitrate == 10-15 PPM, possibly closer to 10PPM.
Ammonia == solid 0.0 PPM.
Nitrite == solid 0.0 PPM.

Really could not ask for better results. I consider the tank fully ready for my cichlids. Also seems that the tank is handling the bio load well. Going by the old rule of thumb of 1 inch of fish per 1 gallon of water I'll end up in the area of 4-5 to high on inches of fish but with my heavy being planted and filtered I don't expect to see any issues.,
 
MAN! Why do I have to have a rope that likes soccer? Even though doing well, my Tiger Lotus bulb is once again totally above the substrate. I have no idea as to why but my rope really seems to like pushing the bulb around. :dunno: Since buying plants from wetplants.com the main guy and I have been sharing emails. He told me to not worry as he can't keep one in the substrate in his sand based tank either. Seems to be one of those don't fix what isn't broken type things. He says that as long as it is sprouting don't worry. Eventually the thing will sink enough roots to where the rope won't be able to move it.

I've decided to leave the lotus bulb where the rope puts it. Since he tends to push the bulb close to his favorite cave entrance he just may be setting up coverage for his 'safe space'. Many fish WILL arrange their habitat. As an example don't mess with a blue acara cichlid when it digs a depression in the substrate. I made that mistake with a blue that was 5-6 inches. I reached in to fill in the depression and got attacked and bit. The beastie actually drew blood on my finger. It was making a nest.

I will say that I learned a lesson from the above. We try our best to mimic the natural environment of these critters. Still that is not enough. We all also need to research and try to understand the nature of these critters.

Many people can tell the mood of another person by body language. Fish also have body language. Take a rope fish... If it is laid out flat on the substrate it is probably saying it isn't happy. However, if it is flat out on the substrate but with it's head raised and resting on a plant leaf, it is just chilling and hanging out and probably happy.

This is no different than seeing the moods of my cockatiel. How flat or erect the position of the head crest tells you the mood of the bird. This is no different than with a fish.Shoot, if my bird is pissed his crest is flat on his head. If my fish are not happy the dorsal fin clamps. Seems like pretty much the same thing to me. Both are body language.

Not actually sure as to what I'm trying to say but I guess it goes in the area of how the fish react to their environment may mean more than any API test. Obviously I DO test my water but this will get more seldom once everything continues to stay proven as good. I will probably drop down to doing API tests once a month at most as soon as I'm sure that my current nitrate level remains good.

While I DO test water prams I tend to more rely on what my fish tell me. By nature my Pandas are hyper and VERY active. As long as they stay that way I don't feel much worry. If they got slow and ... well, not hyper I would worry and look at the water.

There is no such thing as a perfect aquarium, it just isn't possible as we are not God and, therefore, can't duplicate nature. Hell, I know I can't totally duplicate nature. Still I do the best that I can.

I start out with a fish that is a must have. For me that is a rope fish. Then I look for possible tank mates. Man, I've researched this since there was an Internet. Bottom line is that a rope will get along with anything tha t will not easily fit in its mouth.
 
New beasties are in the tank. :) Of course they disappeared in the plants immediately but it only took about an hour and a half before they started checking things out. They will gain color as they mature. I love that Anubias to the right of the cichlid in the front.

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