Remove Media From The Filter Bag?

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I have some media here (possibly around 5 to 10mm in diameter) that is contained in a filter bag. They are like small pebbles. My canister uses this type of basket: photo of canister basket

Media itself are big enough that they won't go through the bottom grill. They are also heavy enough that I'm pretty sure they will sink instead of floating around.

Any idea on the pros/cons on removing/retaining the filter bag? I negative I can think of if I use the bag is that area around the cylinder in the basket will be "unfiltered".

thank you for the help :)
 
To be on the safe side, unless instructed to remove said media, don't do it. There really isn't any harm as far as I'm concerned just leaving it in the bag. Assuming of course I'm thinking of the same thing you are :blink:
 
You do not want any bypass flow around your media. If the bag cannot be shaped to cover that area around the inlet tube, you may need to remove the media from the bag. If you do that, make sure you rinse the new media well to get rid of any fine particles and dust before putting it into your filter basket.
 
Eliminating bypass flow is important both for the designer of the filter and for the hobbyist trying to maximize the filtration function of the filter. I like to think of it as not allowing the water to "cheat" and get around the media without coming into contact with the surfaces of that media.

Ceramic rings are interesting. Why rings? The answer, in discussions that I've read is that rings act like short pipes, forcing the water to change from one larger general direction of flow into many smaller flows of very different angles. When a fluid makes a sharp turn, it slows down (some of the energy of its molecules is transmitted to the ceramics as they bump and those fluid paricles slow a tiny bit.) Reduced flow makes it easier for debris particles to stay put after they are trapped at a corner between rings.

The larger weight of ceramic rings allows them to sit still and not rattle around in the flow, allowing further particle settling and keeping the filter quiet. Larger diameter rings and center holes allow larger particle trapping spaces, differentiating the rings from the smaller interparticle spaces of media beds that follow.

The reason the rings are made of rough ceramic is that this has been found to be one of the ideal surfaces for autotrophic bacteria and the biofilms they construct. Ceramic, unlike carbon or filter floss, will not easily break into smaller particles that can be washed away in the flow or when it is rinsed.

That's the theory, what about the actual implementations we see in various products? Well, lets take the rings pictured in this thread. To my eye, these rings have a pretty large diameter but quite small holes for the "pipe." More of the mass of the ceramic material is trapped inside the solid space of an individual ring, where it can't offer any surface area or do any good. If the diameter of the inner pipe were larger, it would have more surface area and it would differentiate itself more from the smaller sized media materials that should come next in the water flow (the next tray or bed of media, such as ceramic gravel.)

In this case I don't think its a big deal, but its interesting to speculate whether sometimes the ideal theory is lost in implementation because of some less labor intensive manufacturing process or perhaps that the theory was not fully understood by the particular manufacturer.

~~waterdrop~~
 
I have a bag of bio-max for one of my Aquclear filters, and the bad broke on accident. So, I now just put all the ceramic rings on top of the other media in the filter. Being that the filter is a HOB, there is no top/lid that holds the media down in the filter like a canister. With that said, I have yet to have a problem with this, and they do no float, they sink.

-FHM
 
Yes, I believe the purpose of mesh bags is to provide a way to hold the media together when it is removed to be rinsed in tank water, especially if the filter does not have a tray that serves that purpose. The other main function of a mesh bag is to accomplish the separation of media types in case you later want to remove one or the other, in which case you don't want them to be mixed. A good example comes up when people with very soft water want to add crushed coral to their ceramic gravel or other biomedia tray, the mesh bag will keep the crushed coral separate from the biomedia, aiding you in using a different cleaning technique on it and a way to remove it later if you want to.

Perhaps there are other uses or functions of mesh filter bags other members could share?

~~waterdrop~~
 

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