Red Robin/honey Gouramies

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hi,

i bought 4 red robin gouramies last thursday. one of them died approx half an hour after i let it out into the tank - i have no idea why as there were no markings on it or any sign of illness, but i put it down to perhaps just shock at being moved.

my question now is which tank is most appropriate for the 3 remaining? they are currently in a 29 gal along with 2 angels and 6 cories, but i'm considering swapping them with the 8 harlequin rasbora that i have in a 15 gallon tank - would that be better over all?

i would then have:

15 gal:

3 red robin gourami (currently in 29gal)
5 guppies
3 pygmy cories
1 otto

29 gal:

2 angels
1 marbled hatchetfish
6 bronze cories
8 harlequin rasbora (currently in 15 gal)


thanks for any advice
 
I think you could do both.
IMO, I'd keep the gourmis with the angels, I don't know the angels temperment twords smaller tetras though.

Although, with either arrangement, the 15G will be over stocked.
You can't keep both groups in the 29G. I'd suggest keeping the gourmis, though.
 
First of all - what sex are the gouramies and are they dwarf gouramies or honey gouramies? dwarf gouramies are colisa lalia, honey gouramies are colisa chuna/sota. Don't assume them to be honeys just because of the common name though. If you're not sure, post a pic.

Next, let me point out a few issues with your current stocking:

15 gal:

3 red robin gourami (currently in 29gal) - these may or may not be ok in the 15 gallon. It depends on what species and sex they are. As for keeping them with the angels, they'll eventualy get bullied if the angels grow.
5 guppies
3 pygmy cories
1 otto - I'd suggest swapping this for the hatchet in the other tank

29 gal:

2 angels - angels, as you may or may not know, can't be visualy sexed as juveniles are and are difficult as adults as well. If you end up with a breeding pair, they will be highly aggressicve towards 'intruders'. The gouramies, as they occupy the same water level, would be classed as such and be bullied.
1 marbled hatchetfish - besides the fact that this is a schooling fish, they are very prone to being bullied. I'd actualy move this to a different tank - swap it for the oto in your 15 gallon at the very least.
6 bronze cories
8 harlequin rasbora (currently in 15 gal) - deffinately move these to the larger tanka s 15 gallons is too small for 8 + other fish.

So to sum it all up, your angels may become very aggressive ocne mature if they decide to pair up. The hatchet fish should be moved away from the angels. The best option would be to give it away to someone who'd be able to keep it in a group. The harlequin rasboras will not work in the 15 gallon permanently. The gouramies may or may not work in the 15 gallon. If they aren't the right sex/species to live peacefuly in teh 15, keeping them with the angels is alright TEMPORARILY - if the angels breed, and once they get larger, you'll find they are over-crowded and someone will have to be moved out.
 
thanks for the info - i'm very surprised to hear about the hatchetfish needing to be moved - i was just planning on putting together a shoal of 6 as soon as i could find some - but do you think even 6 would be bullied?

the gouramis were labelled as red robin - i've since found that that is just a red colouration of a honey gourami. not sure what sex they are though - how do i tell?

i swapped them around last night so the gourami are now in the 15 gal and the harlequin in the 29 - i have read that the honey gourami needs min 10 gal, max 20?

the angels don't appear to have paired as yet, they are approx 3-4 inches in body size now not including their fins and one of them has a bump on its head which i've read is a sign of sexual maturity?

i'm very confused now, can't seem to get this thing right no matter what i do. :no:
 
Yep, unfortunately, even 6 hatchets would be bullied if kept with angels and you can't realy keep 6 of them in the 15 gallon either. Idealy, re-home the hatchet you have. Having said that, if your angels don't pair up and you have a big group, they may be ok. the thing is, there's no way of knowing whether the angels will pair up and the hatchet on its own as things stand won't do all that well. Like I said, your best bet would be to find a new home for it, give it back to your LFS or buy another tank ;)

If you are deffinate the gouramies are honeys, they should be ok in the 15 gallon. How well they get along will, however, depend on their sex and how well-planted/decorated the tank is. To sex them, males are more stream-lined than females and have generaly longer fins. the females are deeper-bodied, wider when viewed from above and should have an obvious bump when mature (due to being full of eggs (gravid)). Having said that, most people sex them based on color as males are brighter than females and develop a blue-black throat/underside color when in rbeeding condition. Unfortunately, some color morphs don't display this as readily and juveniles are difficult to sex based on color as all are generaly a dull brown color 9or red-orange for certain color morphs) with a horizontal stripe running along their bodies all of which are typical of a female. Do you have a picture of them all by any chance? They won't do well with adult angels and will want the top layers of the 15 gallon to themselves (which is another good reason to find the hatchet a new home).

About the requirements of gouramies - honeys are ok with about 5 gallons each but males are still territorial so putting them all, together, in a 15 gallon is pushing it slightly. I think they should be ok though as long as they have the top of the tank mainly to themselves and as long as they have plenty of hiding places and, especialy, floating plants (gets some if you don't already - even fake will do or very tall rooted ones). Larger gouramies vary rgeatly as far as volume requirements go. Keep in mind that 'gouramies' encompass a huge group of fish - people keep bettas in tanks as small as half a gallon (though I'd say 2.5-5 is more suitable) while the larger gouramies, like the osphronemus gourami, grow to 30" so require, obviously, huge tanks. It's impossible to generalise and say that all gouramies require 10-20 gallons. Having said that, most commonly available medium-sized gouramies have a minnimum tank size requirement of 20 gallons over-all but need at least 10 gallons per fish.


The angels won't necessarily pair as you have no way of telling whether they are male or female. As for whether they have reached sexual maturity, my experience with this fish is very limmited and what I do know just confuses me more :p I realy doubt there's an accurate way of determining whether they have or have not but, if they are around 4", I would think they are, at least, getting there.

Don't worry about being confused :) You'll get the hang of it gradualy. the key is to research every fish you plan to get long before you buy it and make sure you know as much as possible about it and it's requirements and can meet them. You'll be fine - you have a while to sort everything out now anyway as the only real problem you have is if those angels pair up.
 
wow, thanks so much sylvia for all the advice, will have to have a think about what i can do with the fish.
 

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