Rasboras and Tetras and Danios

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At the moment I am not going to get anymore fish if I can possibly avoid it.

Nonetheless,
Which is the best for a beginner?
I live in Dallas, Texas, if that helps.

Thanks to stumbling upon this awesome forum and reading a bit , I have had a light bulb moment and I am just now understanding the idea that treating tap water only works for ammonia and such and doesn't have really much to do with ph. Am I understanding that correctly?
 
Hi,
If you are on town supply water there should not be ammonia in your tap water.
The reason for treating the tap water is to remove chlorine and chloramines as well as heavy metals normally found in treated water supplies. Using any of the good tap water conditioners like API etc is a must when doing water changes.
Hope this explains it.
And yes, tap water conditioners don't do anything to the pH.
 
At the moment I am not going to get anymore fish if I can possibly avoid it.

Nonetheless,
Which is the best for a beginner?
I live in Dallas, Texas, if that helps.

Thanks to stumbling upon this awesome forum and reading a bit , I have had a light bulb moment and I am just now understanding the idea that treating tap water only works for ammonia and such and doesn't have really much to do with ph. Am I understanding that correctly?

There is not much difference between rasboras and danios and tetras in the sense that they are all relatively small, they are shoaling so there must always be a decent-sized group, and most will readily accept basic foods. But there are some significant differences between species in particular. Danios generally are more active fish, so that means longer tanks than what might suffice for a rasbora of similar size/numbers; within tetras this can be a major difference (activity level). Sedate fish cannot be combined with active fish because it will stress them. Most do well with normal aquarium temperatures, though there is some difference--active species again tend to prefer it slightly cooler.

On the tap water, conditioners deal with chlorine, chloramine, and usually heavy metals; this is the basic need. Some will also detoxify ammonia, a few also detoxify nitrite, and a couple also detoxify nitrate. But in all cases involving ammonia, nitrite or nitrate, the detoxification is temporary, not permanent; it is beneficial if the tap water contains one of these, so they are detoxified for 24-36 hours which gives the plants/bacteria time to handle the influx before they revert back to being toxic. But never should any conditioner be used as a treatment to solve pr4oblems occurring within the tank involving ammonia, nitrite or nitrate.

As for pH, this is part of the GH and KH relationship. No conditioners mess with these. The GH and KH and pH of the tap water will tend to be stable and remain such in the aquarium. It is possible to target these in order to increase or lower the values, but this is a very complex bit of chemistry. Aside from that, pH will tend to lower as the aquarium ages, due to the decompposition of organics primarily. All of this depends upon the initial tap water levels, and then the presence of CO2 and any calcareous or organic objects.
 
In addition to what @Byron says some fish do better in soft water and some in hard water. All of the fish you mentioned need soft water. Others such as guppies and live bearers need hard water. Check what your water hardness is and post on here before deciding on stocking. It makes sense to keep fish that will naturally thrive in your water. The number we are interested in is GH - we need both a number and a unit as there are several in use. This info may be on your water supplier's website, alternatively you can test for it or take a sample to a fish store to check.

If yo choose the right fish for your water hardness you never have to worry about pH.
 
At the moment I am not going to get anymore fish if I can possibly avoid it.

Nonetheless,
Which is the best for a beginner?
I live in Dallas, Texas, if that helps.

Thanks to stumbling upon this awesome forum and reading a bit , I have had a light bulb moment and I am just now understanding the idea that treating tap water only works for ammonia and such and doesn't have really much to do with ph. Am I understanding that correctly?
Oh, I made a mistake I meant that I thought the water treatments were just for chlorine not ammonia, my bad.
 
Thanks, all of you!
So just to wrap things up from my perspective on what I have kind of knew and then what you guys have clarified.

So I knew that the water treatments took care of the chlorine chloramine and heavy metals, (I made a mistake when I said ammonia).
I have seen products at the fish store pertaining to adding or taking away something to fix pH. Which I never really want to get that far into.

So a lot of this has been putting it together more clearly and more succinctly for me.
(Sorry, EGO talking).

But, I have SO many other questions:
Soft vs. Hard. (Gh? Ph?)
Acidity(?)
Calcium(?)
Nitrites and Nitrates (Bacteria related?)
Water treatments...which brand/type?
And more.

I lost my booklet and chart from my Master Test Kit. I'm going to have to see if I can order a replacememt one online.
I would print one out from online but how do I know which image is the most like the one that comes in the kit? For that matter how do we know the one that comes in the test kits don't vary a bit in colour?

Probably WAY off topic now...

Unfortunately I don't know about my water supply, I guess I'll have to ask my landlord.
I'm currently using prime water treatment for my tap water.

I have been successful with Betta's, Amano shrimp, White Cloud Mountain Minnows, Nerite and (to my surprise ) Celestial Pearls.

And I have successfully given myself a headache writing all of this. :)



I've got a lot to learn.
One topic at a time.
 
I just went over all the responses again and picked up even more information.

Does anyone else wonder, as I do on occasion, whether or not it is cheating to ask on the forum rather than research online?

All I just read is VERY beneficial and I am learning so much. I don't expect a reply about all of the things I mentioned above, and I have already learned a lot.

Thank you all!
 
I just went over all the responses again and picked up even more information.

Does anyone else wonder, as I do on occasion, whether or not it is cheating to ask on the forum rather than research online?

All I just read is VERY beneficial and I am learning so much. I don't expect a reply about all of the things I mentioned above, and I have already learned a lot.

Thank you all!
Definitely not cheating. It's good to get the facts as well as personal experiences and suggestions:)
 
There are a few comments I can make on issues mentioned in post #6 as I consider them important to get straight.

I have seen products at the fish store pertaining to adding or taking away something to fix pH. Which I never really want to get that far into.

Never use pH adjusting products with fish in the tank. Actually, never use them period. The GH/KH/pH subject is pure chemistry and understanding the basic principle is mandatory. GH is the general or total hardness of water; this refers to the level of dissolved mineral (primarily calcium and magnesium, either or both). This is the soft/hard water bit. Soft water has a very low GH, while the GH increases the harder the water is. KH is carbonate hardness also called Alkalinity. For our purposes, it acts as a buffer to prevent the pH from fluctuating. The pH is more difficult to comprehend so I will leave out the chemistry; but it is tied to the GH and KH. CO2 (carbon dioxide) also impacts pH. And calcareous substances in the tank can impact pH as well as GH and KH; items like rock or substrate that is composed of limestone, marble, aragonite, coral, shells, etc. You cannot adjust the pH without dealing with the GH and KH. This is why the pH adjusting substances generally do not work long-term, along with other issues we can leave for the present.

A pH above 7.0 is basic (long ago it was termed alkaline, but that is misleading); below 7.0 it is acidic. Generally, softer water will be on the acidic side, while moderateely hard and harder water will be on the basic side. Fish from these different waters usually have such needs for pH.

You should be able to ascertain the GH, KH and pH of your tap water not from your landlord but from the municipal water authority. Check their website. Or call them. You want the number and their unit of measure for GH and KH as there are several. The pH will be whatever number it is. This is the starting point. Depending upon these numbers, we can predict what will (or won't) happen in the aquarium concerning pH.

Water treatments...which brand/type?

This is more important than many realize. Substances added to the tank water will get inside the fish. Fish continually take in water via osmosis through every cell. Substances in the water thus get into the fish's bloodstream, and into the internal organs. As a general principle, never add any substance to tank water unless it is absolutely necessary. The fish must deal with all these substances. It must maintain a blood pH that is the same as the water it lives in; it must filter out substances in the water via the kidneys primarily. But it gets much more involved.

This is where conditioners come in; only use a conditioner that does what you need and nothing more. "More" means more chemicals and more fiddling with the chemistry, and this only increases the risk to the fish. If you have chlorine and/or chloramine added to your tap water by the city, you obviously need a conditioner that detoxifies these; most do both. Heavy metals is usually included, and can't hurt. But nothing beyond this is needed unless you have ammonia, nitrite or nitrate in the tap water.
 

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