puffer fish

[a1wonder]

sorry to hijack this thread but this is a message to chdabott

before you post any more advice to other members please read this
http/www.bellaonline.com/articles/art3503.asp it is an article in reguards to the myth about goldfish the comments that you have perviously stated have trule made me shake my head

Also, i found that fan tail goldfish are excellent in them, i brought a heater for my bi-orb, and my fish are backstroking all over the place!

how many gallons is a bio orb? I'm guessing at the very most 5 gals. Fan tail goldfish will grow to a very minimum of 6 inchs and need at least 10 gallons of water a piece when they are young. By the sounds of your statement you have more than one in these tiny bowl of water. Goldfish also require extensive filteration one that a Bio Orb can not provide.

People by gold fish bowls on the assumption that they are ment for goldfish or because it says so. Companies are out to make a profit they will not tell you that their products lies to you and hinders the life of your fish.

Biorb Goldfish Bowl
The filter design utilisies a unique systemised five-stage method combining biological, mechanical and chemical filtration. This significantly reduces maintenance whilst ensuring that the water remains healthy and crystal clear. With the filter barely visible in the bottom of the globe, once biorb is filled with water there is nothing to detract from its perfect 360 degree viewing angle.(Pets parade recomends a 25% water change every 3 weeks to maintain good water quality. This is best carried out with a small easy clean gravel cleaner).

Contents
- Biorb Goldfish bowl
- Snap on base and lid
- Activations guide
- Easy change filter cartridge system
- Ceramic filter media
- Air Pump
- Fish food and water preperation chemicals.

this is the actually remarks made by this company the picture shows 5 goldfish in a tank not even suitable for one

Please reconcider your statement before posting further advice.

 

[clutterydrawer]

just so you know, they're 8 gallons, and yes i agree that this in no way makes them suitable for goldfish.

 

[a1wonder]

8 gallons a little bigger than I figured but then again it doesn't look like it contains much surface area which leads to perhapes an oxygen problem in the tank

 

[clutterydrawer]

especially as goldfish need a LOT of oxygen compared to many other fish

 

[chdabott]

So what part exactly confused you when i said that my fantail fish... which there are 2 of...shock horror, were doing fine?? how many fish has that biorb picture that you took the time and effort to find and paste it in to prove a point, when in actual fact i had 2/5th of the quantity in mine??? They are still alive now and i had the biorb for 2 years. At the end of the day this girl, if she likes it will buy it, not everyone has the room for a tank the size of a sealife centre. i was just stating to her that if she did fantails do ok in it. I dont consider my self to be a fish expert, not as great and mighty as yourself. But rather then she goes straight in and buys puffer fish, she could start off with goldfish...now what is so wrong in that?? This is what i hate about these forums. People are to quick to bite your head off!!!!

 

[Aquascaper]

I think the point being made is that Goldfish are very messy fish that grow big and last 20+ years if kept well. For far too long people have bought goldfish and stuck them in a small tank expecting them to last a year or two, and guess what, they did.

General stocking rules for Goldfish are 20g for one fish then 10g per additional fish, a BiOrb being 8g is not suitable for one Goldfish let alone two or more.

i have just been to the pet shop and they have 5 puffers in a bi-orb, saying that i have had nothing but problems with my bi-orb !!!!

What problems did you have? Filtration problems?

And FYI chdabott - Fantails and Goldfish are the same, they both have a similar bio-load and grow to similar mass. To say that you agree that BiOrbs are not suitable for Goldfish but are fine for Fantails is IMO ridiculous.

Just my 2p

 

[saramateeni]

okay... so i had two goldfish that I won at the fair. Sid is no longer with us so i now only have Nancy... Until recently she has been living in a bowl, (no filter and some pondweed - yes, I know I am bad), but recently I have purchased a baby bio-orb (i would have had a bigger tank, but I don't have the space... and Nancy missed out the Big Move (going to the big tank at my Dads) by three days, which was handy as there was a epidemic and lots of dead fish)

I didn't put any treatment in the water (the last time I did that with a Carny Fish it wasn't used to the chemicals and ended up dead. ELVIS RIP) and left to filter for 24 hours before putting Nancy in there.

She loves it - obviously, but is missing having a companion... (i don't buy all this bobbins about 3 second memories, Nancy knows who I am and she begs for food...)

I had a goldfish for 16 years (einstein, he died nine years ago and lasted longer than the cat) and know that with due care and attention that they are fab pets.... only thing is that I can tell Nancy is lonely...

The lovely people at Pets At Home have suggested I buy three White Clouds to keep her company, but after reading the forum I'm thinking that maybe they have suggested wrong... hummm.

Fish Experts, I put the question to you!

Help

 

[waynecav]

I'm gonna be the fun spoiler then I guess

I'd really say no to keeping any fish, Specially Puffers! in a bio-orb tank. Puffers become terretorial (or however you spell it ) and its better to break their eyesight so they will not see eachother all too often. In a bowl, in which the bottom surface is a lot less than in the middle, I dont think you could get it planted well enough for them to get along properly. Also, a dwarf puffer needs At Least 2 gal a puffer (at least, so it was said here ... personally, I'd make it 5gal a puffer). Meaning that in a 30L tank (8Gallon) you could keep 2 dwarf puffers Tops!

Any other puffer you just could Not keep in a tank like this, because they get too big.

With having only 2 dwarf puffers in a tank, I dont think you'll have much of a chance breeding, also, where will you leave the juveniles?

I say, if you really wanna keep dwarf puffers, get a normal tank so you can break the eye-sight properly, and will have more than an 8 Gallon tank so you can keep more puffers

I have 2 colomesus in a 60 liter biorb along side a couple of neons and 5 cherry barbs, I do a 50% water change every week, change the filter canister and air stone once a month. I've had my puffers a year with no problems and never have problems with water quality so it can be done