Prodigals Return

[raptorrex]

Last Thursday the latest addition to our family, a 8 month old spotted tabby, vanished. she is "chipped", for all the good that is. we have had, posters up. contacted the RSPCA, and searched like mad to find her. we had, just about, given up.
anyway last night as i locked up, i opened the from door, and she came trotting in. she still had her collar, though the name tag had gone, and looked none the worse for ware. indeed she had lost no weight, and is in good condition.

So from all the Family, WELCOME BACK SOX (WOOF).

 

[Floyds mum]

YAY
Obviously wanted a few nights out on the tiles lol glad she's back safe and sound.

 

[Night61]

i would try to keep her indoors now. we had something similar happen to us years ago. our cats are no longer outdoor cats after that.

i am happy you have a good ending to your story though.

 

[seffieuk]

So glad she is back - maybe she got locked in a garage or the like - if only they could talk

Seffie x

 

[raptorrex]

i would try to keep her indoors now. we had something similar happen to us years ago. our cats are no longer outdoor cats after that.

i am happy you have a good ending to your story though.

I could not agree with this comment.
in the same way i would not keep a silver shark, in a 2 foot tank. i could not keep a cat, forcibly, in a house. perhaps some of the inbred results, of the cat version of the kennel club, may be unable to go outside. but your standard moggie, should be outside. imho
but, yeah, she's back. and went out only 1/2 and hour after she returned. she does seem to want to sit with us a bit more than before the trip. but apart from that, she's the same as always.

 

[Ludwig Venter]

My cats are inside cats and is only allowed outside once per day when I (or my wife) are herding them to ensure they do not wander too far.... I have neighbours with birds and pigeons and I know from experience that these people absolutely hates cats.... I would rather spend that hour per day outside with my cats than having them shot or poisoned by a bird fanatic.... (been involved with the SPCA for too long)

 

[shelaghfishface]

i would try to keep her indoors now. we had something similar happen to us years ago. our cats are no longer outdoor cats after that.

i am happy you have a good ending to your story though.

I could not agree with this comment.
in the same way i would not keep a silver shark, in a 2 foot tank. i could not keep a cat, forcibly, in a house. perhaps some of the inbred results, of the cat version of the kennel club, may be unable to go outside. but your standard moggie, should be outside. imho
but, yeah, she's back. and went out only 1/2 and hour after she returned. she does seem to want to sit with us a bit more than before the trip. but apart from that, she's the same as always.

what a silly comparison! id say stupid but then id prob get a bann for being rude!
have yu ever tried to get a lazy cat out into the fresh air ?
inbreeds? whats that got to do with anything

cats dont need humans to care for them, they chose to let "us" and for that very reason we have a duty of care towards them, we have to make the rules for there saftey.


glad the cat is home safely

 

[Night61]

the reason i say this, we had a cat that was indoor out doors, one day she did not return, turns out a neighbors supposedly friendly house hold dog got loose and killed her. since then for our animals own protection they stay indoors.
this is the same cat who was cat napped by someone who insisted that she was her cat, her friend got a conscious a few months later and returned out cat. if we had kept her inside after that we would have not lost her in such a brutal fashion as being ripped apart by a neighbors dog.
i was not trying to be cruel just trying to be cautionary.

 

[raptorrex]

i would try to keep her indoors now. we had something similar happen to us years ago. our cats are no longer outdoor cats after that.

i am happy you have a good ending to your story though.

I could not agree with this comment.
in the same way i would not keep a silver shark, in a 2 foot tank. i could not keep a cat, forcibly, in a house. perhaps some of the inbred results, of the cat version of the kennel club, may be unable to go outside. but your standard moggie, should be outside. imho
but, yeah, she's back. and went out only 1/2 and hour after she returned. she does seem to want to sit with us a bit more than before the trip. but apart from that, she's the same as always.

what a silly comparison! id say stupid but then id prob get a bann for being rude!
have yu ever tried to get a lazy cat out into the fresh air ?
inbreeds? whats that got to do with anything

cats dont need humans to care for them, they chose to let "us" and for that very reason we have a duty of care towards them, we have to make the rules for there saftey.


glad the cat is home safely

the comparison is as valid as any. funny how we shout about tanks that are too small for the fish they have in them. yet , seem, to be prepared to lock a lithe predator in a box. to suite ourselves. and that's fine. there, seems, to be some inconsistency there.
as far as i read, i never mentioned forcing a cat out. nop, read the post again, I DIDN'T.
having had cats for, most, of the last 45 years. not having lost one to car, or just getting lost. all, except one,(18) lived to 21. i have two, city cats, atm. that are 16. any rules, i have, seem to work. all of my cats have, always, had access to outside, on demand.

what have "inbreeds" got to do with it. well they are the only, types of cat. that cant look after themselves. as such, many don't go out. or, more correctly, cant go out.

as for STUPID. locking a cat inside, that has been used to outside living. seems to qualify.

i understand your point salornights6. and agree. but a large portion of a cats life, is still feral (to all intents and purposes). as shelag says "we have a duty of care". in the circumstances you mention. to me, the care would be, not to have a cat.

 

[Tolak]

Last Thursday the latest addition to our family, a 8 month old spotted tabby, vanished. she is "chipped", for all the good that is. we have had, posters up. contacted the RSPCA, and searched like mad to find her. we had, just about, given up.

Your cat runs off, to be in its natural state, outside, and you are worried.

in the same way i would not keep a silver shark, in a 2 foot tank. i could not keep a cat, forcibly, in a house. perhaps some of the inbred results, of the cat version of the kennel club, may be unable to go outside. but your standard moggie, should be outside. imho

But you are also of the thought that it should be outside if it isn’t some sort of inbreed.

what have "inbreeds" got to do with it. well they are the only, types of cat. that cant look after themselves. as such, many don't go out. or, more correctly, cant go out.
i understand your point salornights6. and agree. but a large portion of a cats life, is still feral (to all intents and purposes). as shelag says "we have a duty of care". in the circumstances you mention. to me, the care would be, not to have a cat.

And that any cat that is inbred can’t look after itself while out on its own, and can’t go out. Your cat, with its feral instincts still intact for all intents and purposes, can look after itself when out on its own.

Knowing that, why this statement?

Last Thursday the latest addition to our family, a 8 month old spotted tabby, vanished. she is "chipped", for all the good that is. we have had, posters up. contacted the RSPCA, and searched like mad to find her. we had, just about, given up.

I’ll go along with the idea of cats needing to be out in a natural environment free to exercise their feral instincts free from the confines of a box if you allow my pair of terriers the same courtesy. Young male Aussie terriers, farm bred, not from show stock, but as more of working terriers, look into earthdogs. They are a team, being males they bicker a bit, when the hunt is on it is almost like one mind in two bodies. This is them being free in their natural state, doing what they do best.

This being the case, as they are chipped and snipped, to aid in the ease of their retrieval while not having to worry about reproduction, by rights I should allow them to freely roam the urban area in which I live, which is probably pretty similar to your area. I should allow them to go to earth wherever they please, hunt as the excellent team they are, above ground as well as below, as this is what they are bred for, and it is their natural instinct to do so.

Please don’t feel bad if one of your cats does not return, as by extending my dogs the same courtesy to exist as naturally as possible as I allow your cats they may well take out a cat or three. My dogs may get gashed up a bit, that’s part of being a terrier on the hunt, nothing unusual, and to be expected.

This is what I would expect were I foolish enough to do such a thing with the animals in my care. It would be completely irresponsible for me to do such a thing in any sort of urban area, with unsupervised animals. The proper way would be to take them afield, with the proper equipment, on a properly supervised hunt. This is a natural setting, and the proper place for this sort of activity. Much in the same way, the proper place for cats to be out on their own to exercise their natural hunting instincts would be in a more rural setting.

By contacting the RSPCA and hanging posters you are in no more a rural setting than I, and are doing as big a disservice to the animals in your care as I would be should I allow my dogs the same freedom to exercise their natural instincts in an unnatural environment.

 

[raptorrex]

By contacting the RSPCA and hanging posters you are in no more a rural setting than I, and are doing as big a disservice to the animals in your care as I would be should I allow my dogs the same freedom to exercise their natural instincts in an unnatural environment.

as none of my cats have "vanished". and the time involved is decades. it would seem "my way", causes no problems. whether in rural, or urban, environments (and i have lived in both), cats can go free. and, even in the heart of the lake district. (keswick) posters and reports of lost cats, reach the RSPCA. you seem to be under the misapprehension, it only operates in urban environments. in the UK, nothing could be further from the truth.

you will notice i use "I" through out my posts. at no point did i say "everybody" should act as i do. though, from a personal point, i feel they should. to suggest i am failing my cats, would require some evidence that they have, suffered, or been disadvantaged in some way, by their freedom. even the "5 day trip" is quite normal for a pet cat. its, often, during these trips cat learn valuable life lessons. if you are suggesting that only rural environments are safe for cats to roam free. the truth could not be more different. apart from cars/roads. rural environments are far less safe.

the fact remains to "force" a cat to stay in, after enjoying freedom is, to me, wrong. if that is the environment you inhabit. DON'T GET A CAT. as with chopping off tails, de clawing, tooth extraction. appalling abuses of the power we have over animals. and always to force an animal into a situation to which they are unsuited. this is wrong to me. as i have said to you before.

the silver shark comment is still valid. i chose that fish because it needs space to roam, not water volume because it poops a lot. lol
and the "inbreed"? these are the only cats that can not, or most cant, venture out side. we have also spoken, before, about the actions for the Kennel club and its "inbreeding" program. my views have not changed, and are at least consistent.

salornights6 was kind enough to offer me advice on how to act, after my cats return. i answered, making my reasons clear. as i was asking for no advice, mealy posting to celibate what is, in effect, a right of passage, for a young cat, advice from, anyone else, (in that direction) is unnecessary.

as to how others treat and keep their cat. that's up to them. however they decide to do it. with the caveat of the "Frankenstein" organisations of the breeders(cats and dogs) those i will always campaign against.

 

[chesterscot]

your wrong useing your reasoning I should let my dogs roam the streets alone after all there bigger than cats and need more exercise i dont for the following reasons
1. My dog could get lost or hurt , as could your cat
2. they can run in to the road causing other people to crash as can your cat
3. I dont let my dogs foul other peoples gardens so why should you let your cat
4. and lastly for now if i let my dogs out they will kill cats so why let your cat out to terrorise wildlife
Seen as youve been in touch with the RSPCA so must have their number give them a call and see what they think after all you can buy a lead for a cat not a silver shark
scot

oh and cat muck makes kids blind toxoplasmosis so ask it not to foul where kids play oh you cant lol how nice

 

[raptorrex]

Seen as youve been in touch with the RSPCA so must have their number give them a call and see what they think after all you can buy a lead for a cat not a silver shark
scot

I have, they agree with me. cats should, where possible, have outside access. however a dog should only have that access whilst under supervision. there is no assumption, by the RSPCA, that cats need any, supervision, whilst outside. indeed they point out how impractical leads and harnesses are for, most, cats.
the rest of your post, simply, points out. you don't like cats. which is fine. but irrelevant to this thread.

 

[Ludwig Venter]

Responsible cat ownership involves having them spayed or neutered to prevent unwanted litters and that is an universal approach adopted by all SPCA's.

Being spayed or neutered reduces their urge to roam and stray kilometers far after a male or female cat when in heat and consequently prevents them being exposed to other diseases and many other dangers such as being run over, shot or poisoned by aviary keepers, or being mangled by the neighbour's dog.

We had a case in my SPCA where 35 cats died in a week in a specific vicinity and I personally investigated the case. I sent one of the (dead)cats away to our vetenary research labs in SA (Onderstepoort) and they returned a report that the cat was poisoned by a specific poison used by farmers to kill a specific worm damaging their crops.

Unfortunately. we never had enough evidence to charge the culprit with, but it immediately stopped when we published in the local newspaper that we knew exactly who was responsible and what type of poison was used.... Since there was only one guy in the whole block who also farmed (parttime) and he had crops.... we could not narrow it down any further to prove that he posessed such poison. But he stopped immediately.

It was reported by the owners of these cats that it was an agonising death their cats sufferred.

 

[chesterscot]

errrrm how do you know i dont like cats I own 2 thankyou very much the RSPCA your talking to must be different to the one the rest of us know about try the cats protection league then im sure, and i can scan in there leaflet that says cats let out alone are a danger to other people if you like I just choose not to endanger there lives or other peoples or let mine crap everywhere like well you
wether i like them or not isnt the point you just carry on as you are after all after going so long without one been run over maybe your time will come soon (i hope not though)
or someone who is free spirited and nice enough to let there dog exercise free like in the wild may cause your cat a cropper and there isnt much you can say to that is there
i notice you didnt comment on cats causing blindness with indiscriminate toiletting but then again youll say this is fine as well no doubt
regards scot and his cats