Please Help

[Terriann]

On saturday I added a female fighter and two polkadot loaches into my tank from the lfs. I could see one white spot on my loach but thought I was being paranoid so I thought i would leave it a day or two - now i am sure, it is definately whitespot.

I woke up this morning to the dead female fighter! And when I got home today I have noticed a couple of blisters on one of my gouramies and a large patch of white on my other one!

So I currently have

1. Whitespot
2. bacterial infection?
3. some kind of fungas

I know that Methalyn blue would sort all three out, but can i use it on my loaches as I have been told they are a scaleless fish. It doesn't say you can't but I want to check.

I am guessing the ulcers are a result of an agressive crib I had to remove from the tank - and possibly the fungas too, although the whitespot definately come with the new fish! I noticed a white spot on his tail shortly after putting him in.

I am currently cycling my new tank (its been up since saturday) so do I take my loaches out and risk putting them in my uncycled tank and treat them for whitespot, or just methalyn blue the entire tank with the loaches still in them?

Your advice/thoughts are ver much appreciated.

Tank mates:

5 neons
1 Krib (female)
male fighter
4 sword tails
Common plec (baby about 2 inches long)
Queen alabasca plec
4 guppies
5 chocolate gouramies
2 polkadot loaches

Juwel vision 180, 2 large pieces of bog wood, air pump and a castle. Nitrites 0, Nitrates 10, ammonia 0, temp 27c

For now I am going to give a good gravel vac, a 30% water change, add some aquarium salt and hope that one of you guys can give me some advice which would be very much appreciated.

 

[Terriann]

Choccy gourami with white mark has died - water change in progress....

 

[WILDER]

How big was the whitespot on the tail, did it have any red around the edges.
white patches do they look bleached out or fluffy looking.
Bleached out patches can be parasite to bacterial.
Any signs of flicking and rubbing.
If not is pointing towards bacterial.

 

[Terriann]

How big was the whitespot on the tail, did it have any red around the edges.
white patches do they look bleached out or fluffy looking.
Bleached out patches can be parasite to bacterial.
Any signs of flicking and rubbing.
If not is pointing towards bacterial.

Yes, they are flicking and rubbing, and my krib has started to too, it is about the size of a sugar grain, and they now have a couple over there body. There is no redness around the edges, it looks ever so slightly raised and perfectly round and white.

I have a treatment that is safe to use on the loaches for the whitespot, but unfortunately I can't use anything else to cure the ulcers on my gouramies at the same time.

My new tank has no nitrites, no ammonia and nitrate of around 5, I am guessing that it still isn't safe enough to move the loaches into and treat seperately?

Thank you for getting back to me, I can only deal with one disease at a time and am clueless when something like this happens!

 

[WILDER]

Have you raised temp and aeration.
Ulcers are pink or red with a circling of dead white skin around the edges.

No you can't add the bacterial med while you are treating whitespot.
The only med that you can use a bacterial med with whitespot is the esha meds.

[URL="http/www.aquatics-online.co.uk/catalogue...-treatments.asp"]http/www.aquatics-online.co.uk/catalogue...-treatments.asp[/URL]
http/www.fbas.co.uk/Ulcers.html

 

[Terriann]

Sorry, the ulcers on the gourami do have red edges, I thought you were asking about the spots on the loach, thank you for the link, I will have a look now.

 

[WILDER]

Sorry, the ulcers on the gourami do have red edges, I thought you were asking about the spots on the loach, thank you for the link, I will have a look now.

I meant the whitespot on the tail if that had red edges to it, as you can get columnaris spots and they tend to have a tinging of red on the edges of the spot.
Once you said it looked like a grain of salt I knew it was whitespot.
Ulcers don't have a red edging to them.
Read the link first to see what you think.
If you think it is an ulcer anti internal bacteria med by interpet.