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Please Help, My Pleco. Is Sick, Once Again... :(

Elle3

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Hi Everyone, You all helped me about a month ago with my Pleco.  He was coming along fine, until last week.  Once again, he stopped eating...I started him back on the Tetracycline, last week...he's still not doing well, not eating and there hasn't been any feces in the tank, at all.
 
The strange part is...a thing developed on his nose...looked like a perfectly round blister, clear, but at the base of the blister, there is what has to be blood, it's bright red and is actually being held within the base of the blister.  This happened last month, then it went away and started healing...
 
Now, it's returned and where one was, it seemed to have busted/gone away, then two more little ones developed.  Now his nose is cleared (the blisters) and it looks like blood, red skin
 
I just noticed now, as he was on the side of the tank, one of these "blood blisters in on his gill" and also on the bottom base of his tail he's getting them...
 
I don't know what this is, what's causing it...
 
Can anyone PLEASE help me...????
 
I just started his second cycle of med. yesterday and he is due for a 25% water change today, then I'm to repeat the dosage again tomorrow....
 
Thank you, all once again...
 
 
 
 
 
Can you see anything inside the blisters? I know this says Koi, but it can also affect tropical fish.
 
http://www.fish-disease.net/diseases/dermocystidium.php
 
If you google dermocysidium you may find some pictures see if they are anything like what is on your plec. I cannot see the pic in your advatar clearly enough I am afraid :(
 
Hi Star, I found out what it is.."Gas Bubble Disease"... I found pictures and it's identical to what he has... Can you help me with this--I haven't a clue as to what caused it or how to help him or how to get rid of it..??? I'm wondering if it came from, all the water changes, with the med.???
 
Here is some information re gas bubble disease from the Merck Veterinary Manual:
 
 
[SIZE=16pt]Dissolved Gases[/SIZE]
 
Of the dissolved gases, oxygen is the most important. In ponds, photosynthesis by algae is the primary source of oxygen. A diurnal cycle is established, which coincides with photosynthetic activity. During daylight hours, when photosynthesis occurs, oxygen levels rise and carbon dioxide levels fall. At night, respiration is the driving force, resulting in a decrease in dissolved oxygen (DO) and an increase in carbon dioxide. Most finfish thrive when the DO concentration is >5 mg/L. When DO is <5 mg/L, fish become stressed; depending on species, size, and duration of exposure, a fish kill may result. Cardinal signs of a fish kill caused by hypoxia include sudden, significant mortality, usually noticed early in the morning (when oxygen levels are lowest); often, large fish are affected more than small fish. Fish that are hypoxic often school near the surface of the water and may be seen trying to gulp air, a behavior referred to as “piping.” Differential diagnoses for piping include low DO, high nitrite, and gill disease.
 
 Although low DO is most common early in the morning in outdoor ponds, it can occur at any time. The most common causes in ponds are cloudy weather, death of an algal bloom, and pond turnover. Pond turnover is a common cause of catastrophic mortality in pond fish. It occurs most frequently in deep ponds (>6 ft) and involves a phenomenon referred to as stratification. Water at the bottom of the pond cools, and a temperature gradient, called a thermocline, develops between warm surface water and cool bottom water. The thermocline acts as a physical barrier between the surface water (epilimnion) and bottom water (hypolimnion). Because photosynthesis, and hence oxygen production, occurs at the surface, the hypolimnion becomes hypoxic and develops a biologic oxygen demand. When the pond is mixed, or “turns over,” the oxygen is removed as the biologic oxygen demand of the hypolimnion is satisfied. This sudden removal of oxygen can result in oxygen depletion and a fish kill. The most common cause of pond turnover in the southern USA is a summer thunderstorm, in which energy released from cold rain coupled with wind and wave action is sufficient to mix the pond. Fish kills in Florida have occurred following hurricanes and have been attributed to pond turnover. Pond turnover can also be caused by seining, aeration, or other management practices that result in mixing of the epilimnion and hypolimnion. Fish kills caused by pond turnover can be avoided by performing a weekly oxygen profile during periods of greatest risk (usually during hot, summer weather). If stratification is detected, the pond should be aerated or mixed to break down stratified layers before a significant oxygen demand layer can develop.
 
When assessing dissolved oxygen and aeration in indoor systems or exhibits in which the primary source of DO is an aeration device, and water is clear, the percent saturation should be considered along with the total DO reading. The amount of oxygen that water can hold in saturation varies with water temperature, salinity, and altitude. Of these 3 factors, water temperature is the most important. As any of these variables increase, the amount of oxygen in solution at saturation decreases. Saturation tables are available to determine percent saturation for a given DO if temperature, salinity, and altitude are known. If oxygen saturation is below 100%, it may indicate inadequate aeration for the bioload or sanitation problems (development of anoxic, organic-rich areas within the system). In either case, an inability to maintain a system at or very near 100% oxygen saturation is a problem that requires correction. Most fish do well if oxygen is >5 mg/L; however, the % saturation should be considered an indicator of the system's health. 
 
Gas bubble disease is caused by supersaturation of water with dissolved gases. In pet fish, it may be associated with the use of well water, which may contain high levels of nitrogen or carbon dioxide. This is easily remedied by aerating the water before it comes into contact with the fish. A common cause of gas bubble disease in public aquaria is the use of cavitating pumps and sometimes excessive turbulence in cold water exhibits. Gas bubble disease is manifest by exophthalmos and the presence of tiny gas emboli within fins, corneas, or other tissue. The presence of gas emboli within gill capillaries is diagnostic. Treatment of gas bubble disease is vigorous aeration to volatilize excess gas. Supersaturation can be assessed using oxygen saturation tables as described above. Permanent correction of the problem includes identification and correction of the source of the excess gas.
 
Carbon dioxide (CO2) can be toxic to fish when present at concentrations >20 mg/L. Water from affected systems often is acidic (pH <7). A quick field test for excessive CO2 involves vigorous aeration of a bucket of suspect water for 1 hr. A significant increase in pH (ie, >1 unit) over the hour is indicative of excess CO2. Fish exposed to high concentrations of CO2 may be quite lethargic. Hybrid striped bass exposed to toxic levels of CO2 (∼40 mg/L) were observed at the surface with their backs out of the water and reacted dramatically to salt added to the affected tank by trying to leave the water. Nephrocalcinosis and visceral granuloma were reported in salmonid culture, supposedly induced by a high level of CO2 in the water, leading to metabolic acidosis and urinary and tissue precipitation of calcium, around which extensive granulomas develop. Treatment for CO2 toxicity is increased and vigorous aeration. Stocking density should be assessed and may need to be decreased.
from http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/exotic_and_laboratory_animals/fish/environmental_diseases_of_fish.html
 
Hope this helps some assuming this is what the problem is.
 
Hi Two Tank Amin,
 
Sorry, that I didn't get back to you and "Thank You" for the information you had posted to me.  I didn't see it, until just now...as I opened another thread.
 
This artical you posted me was quite interesting, as I do have a well...I'm wondering if maybe, the water has changed veins underground and maybe this is causing the problem???  The well is one of the deepest in the area where I live (over 900 feet)...it is considered to be...below a river bed behind my home.  I live ontop a mountain and the river is behind and directly below my home.
 
So far, he is doing okay and it seems the bubble on his gill, has gotten a bit smaller from yesterday.  I just feel horrible about all this...
 
Thank you, once again...for the information you had posted.  I never heard of anything like this...I hope it helps others, so they are aware and get some information and help, from all of you here...if this should happen to their "Fin Kids"...
 
YW- I had actually read on this topic years back. Well, actuakky on the topic of water becoming super saturated with O. Until I ran across the information it never occurred to me that too much oxygen (among other things) could cause issues. Until I ran across an article on super saturation, I had believed water was limited in the amount of O it could hold and that too much O could not happen. This is not a common thing.
 
Hi Two,
 
Okay, I have a few questions for you, that I hope you can answer, as all this is soo..confusing and VERY overwhelming.  How did all this excess oxygen get into my tank?  Could it have come from too many water changes (I put him on antibiotics, and had to perform 25% water changes every two days....soo..it averaged out to be 4 water changes, within a 12 day period)?  Also, I now have now purchased a new air pump (on Friday)  much stronger--it has 2 air outlets, which I purchased an air bar and a smaller air stone...soo...my tank now has much more air going into it, offering much more areation/agitation, than I previously had...is this okay, or am I putting more oxygen into the water???  I'm soo..confused...Do the air bubbles add oxygen???  I added the new pump, air stone and air bar on Friday and yesterday the "Bubble" on his gill was the size of a pea and filled with blood, this morning however, it's about half the size and very little blood within it, as I was just able to see it fully, as he was on the side of the tank.  I'm feeling that whatever I'm doing, it is helping. 
 
Now last night I filled a 5 gallon bucket with water and I'm letting it rest (I read to do this on a site).  I just added a heater to get the water temp. up to his tank temp. and I just took out the small stone and added that into the bucket, as well to give it aeration, as per the instructions above in the article you posted to me--is this okay???  I will do this for a few hours, until the desire temp. then proceed with the water change, this afternoon. 
 
I hope I'm making sense...as I said, "This is all soo..overwhelming and new to me".  I've had him for over 13 years and I've NEVER had any issues, nothing at all.  He is and has been the only fish in my tank for about 10 years, as he got soo..big and I was afraid of ever adding another fish, after the others had passed, in fear of introducing a disease into the tank and making him sick.  He's a beauty and has soo..much personality... I love him dearly and just feel horrible with what's going on... :)
 
Thank you in advance, for all your help and for explaining this to me...
 

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