Plants for 1 Gallon

[mrV]

So, should I always say "Hey dude! It's COOL to keep fish in a cup! Look awesome!" although I do not mean it at all??

The difference is nationality.. Some countries you always say (friendly) "Great! Looking good!" or something like that, although you think inside your head, it's awful and evertyhing is wrong. Im always say what Im really thinking - not painting flowers on the wall and telling beautiful lies. Better to say although the reader probably becomes alittle angry than to be without saying anything.. Usually hobbiests understand it and do things differently - hopefully.

Best thing is to say right, not lieing, when there is some living creature with. If you say "It's looking good", what do you think that the e.g. aquarium hobbiest thinks then? Probably he/she thinks that it's ok to keep fishes in a small cup. Best way is to correct it immediately. Is it more important that hobbiest is happy than the fish feels good?

Everything is relative.

Like Einstein said... But it always good and reasonable use common sense what we all have - or have we? How many clown loaches have you seen in small tank? Probably too many.. How many question "My fishes are sick? What to do?" have you seen? There is always one thing "Too small tank and wrong fishes together or wrong water values".

However... Im probably fighting against windmills

 

[cichlid_freak]

I'm no expert in bettas, and by no means claim to be.

I do tend to agree with Mr. V on some of the issues discussed in his "rant," i.e. clown loaches. However, the reason an adult clown loach won't fit in a 10 gallon tank, and the reason a 1 gallon tank is not beneficial to a betta are two different things.

A clown loach actually "outgrows" the ten gallon tank, thus in not able to be maintained properly in one.

A betta doesn't "outgrow" a 1 gallon tank, IMHO. I believe it has plenty of space to move around and act normally. However, a 1 gallon tank makes it a difficult job to maintain proper water qualities. The seemingly small amount of waste produced by a betta with proper feeding concentrates quickly in such a small amount of water. Thus, the concern is not the fish's mental health, or the insufficiency of space, but rater the quality of the environment it is in.

Most betta breeders, that I know of, keep their prized fish in small aquariums, i.e. 1, 2.5, 5 gallons. These breeders still have great sucess in maintaining the fish and even pleasing the fish enough to breed them. they do this by frequent water changes and close monitoring of water conditions. This holds true for even the picky apistogrammas that need excelent water qualities to survive, much less prosper.

Mr. V, your concern and truthful opinion is very appreciated. However, you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. This is a friendly forum, and there are very many opinions in this blooming hobby. Think of what tradional marine keepers think of the nano reefers. However, the nano reefers have had some great sucess in maintaining aquariums in 5-10 gallons of water. The key is maintinence.

I do believe that you have a valid point in expressing your true opinion and no one is denying that. But, the opinions of people maintaining happy fish in confinement you would not appreciate is one of the aspects of discovery.

 

[mrV]

As I have written early, I use simply english, writing shortly - because english isn't my mother language. So trying to be friendly, or writing that way, is almost impossible. If I write rudely, it's only because I can't find (out) any other words to say same thing.

Just simply, shortly, word-by-word

This is a friendly forum,

I think being friendly means saying truth too.

 

[cichlid_freak]

It is completly understandable. I love that you take the time to translate your thought, and offer your advice. Thank you.

 

[Peggotty]

A small stalk of bamboo works great in a 1 gal!! (Sorry to change the subject.)

 

[Alia]

So, should I always say "Hey dude! It's COOL to keep fish in a cup! Look awesome!" although I do not mean it at all??

I just want to point out that no one on this forum thinks it is cool to keep any fish in a cup. Quite the opposite, in fact. My suggestion was for you to consider that, possibly, a small fish could be kept in a gallon or two of water under the right conditions without undue suffering.

As is often lamented on this forum, "we" Americans actually recommend more space for fish than is commonly allowed in the United Kingdom, due to space concerns.

CF makes a very good point -- that it all comes down to water quality if the fish are not going to outgrow the tank. The strictest limits are usually suggested to newbies due to their lack of experience, but with a greater degree of skill, more fish can be kept, even thrive, in less water.

The difference is nationality..

I don't think that courtesy is exclusive to certain nationalities. I know at least as many rude Americans as courteous ones, and the same probably applies to people from other parts of the world. I don't think anyone means, by being friendly, that you have to stifle your opinions. I'm sure it is true that the language barrier makes it more difficult for you to be diplomatic. That said, I have read many of your posts and I do not think that you often go out of your way trying.

I think being friendly means saying truth too.

I have a niece who will say very hurtful things to people, and then justify it with, "at least I am honest." The truth is, if we were all as honest as she, she would hate us. Honesty is good, and truth is good, but there is an art to knowing how large a dose to dispense at one time, and as CF suggested, how much honey (rather than vinegar ) to dispense with it.

It is admirable that you spend so much more time with these questions, translating and interpreting, then preparing your answers. We are simply trying to keep people from ignoring what you say because of the way you have said it.

Peggotty: really?? Bamboo?? That stuff is available everywhere now. Is it ok for the fishes? And it doesn't rot?

 

[mrV]

I have a niece who will say very hurtful things to people, and then justify it with, "at least I am honest."

Well, if some one ask me has he/she nice shirt, I probably say, it's ok if it isn't.. Telling white lies in some situations is normal, but when there is any living creature with, I tell truth always. Like fishes, they can't say their own opinions. Dogs "tell" better, if something is wrong, fishes usually die and after that hobbiest understand that something was really wrong or just buy new fishes..

However... I apologize if someone feels angry after reading my opinions

Edit BTW, I just found the reason, why im so rude.. http/virtual.finland.fi/finfo/english/finnseng.html Read the first claim

 

[Tanked]

LMAO

"The Fenni live in astonishing barbarism and disgusting misery: no arms, no horses, no household; wild plants for their food, skins for their clothing, the ground for their beds.."
Tacitus"

that is very funny Mr. V. I always appreciate a good sense of humor

 

[Alia]

I read that whole page, MrV, and I sent the link to my girlhood friend for her amusement. (She is Finnish-American -- Her maiden name was Nurmi).

Tacitus also said quite astonishing things about the Germanic people. I was compelled to read some of his historical accounts when I was in college. I think that at that time the people from warm climates (Romans, Greeks, Egyptians) generally thought everyone from cold climates was essentially an animal. Of course, the animal skins they wore probably helped to further that notion.

I am of Scandinavian descent myself, as my grandmother was 100% Norwegian, and my husband is descended from Norwegians and Swedes (with a rogue Scot in their somewhere). I myself am often guilty of saying unpopular things, and my husband rarely tells people what they want to hear -- so maybe you are right, and it is nationality.

But I do not believe that it is your intent to offend anyone; you are simply an avid fishkeeper who cares very much for the fish. In our country, many animal lovers and breeders tend not to relate well to people. I have faith that you can speak your mind without making people angry, because you just need to tread a little softer and I have seen you do it.

Meanwhile, you are getting an education in the mores of our language as you educate us in the Finnish art of proper fishkeeping!

 

[Jamnog]

heh so your good at building boats. i just thaught id throw in my two cents i find your posts very interesting and havent been offended tho i often toutch on some subjects where my opinions clash with those of other users i think its of vital importance that all sides of an argument are heard....what im trying to get round to saying is, what was the post that made them all so distressed?

 

[cutechic]

currently i have 5 platys fry in my 1 gallon. dont worry, ill be moving them to a new aquarium within the week

im thinking i'll get dwarf saggitaria and anubias nana to start. . . i can always add more plants later

 

[HooDude]

it is filtered and is much larger than the little cup they keep them in at the store.

But it's only temporary place. However, I don't buy fishes either from store that keeps any fish in a cup - like bettas... Neither my friends... Here where I live, is couple store that keeps bettas in 3-4 liters, 1 gal, water Lucky, they usually are sold in couple days, so they get bigger "cup" quickly. As you have already read, I have told earlier that we have some laws for fishes too and if you are keeping aquarium here in Finland, you have to buy atleast 40 liters tank (>10 us gal). 10 gal is good size for one male betta.

I would love a 10 gallon tank at work but do not have that much room as my desk also functions as a pc building area

Do you have to put any tank on the desk if there isn't enough space???

EDIT - seeing as this post was causing so much concern HooDude's uneccessary 'OUTBURST' has been removed.

In future could everyone remember this is a Family Forum and its not needed or wanted....

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[Tanked]

HooDude, my man, watch the language please!!! this is a family forum and many small children read it's threads.


thx m8,


richard

 

[H2O]

HooDude - There is no need to throw abuse at people just because you disagree with them.
There are many people who do indeed buy small tanks for their Bettas. Just because you think this is not necessary is no excuse for blatant personal abuse.
I have spoken with MrV several times and can assure you he certainly is not dumb and has a lot to contribute on this and other forums.
Different people world-wide do things differently and have different laws. Verbally abusing someone because they believe that the best way to do something is different to the way you do it is wrong.
BTW - If you see Bettas as a product then I do not think you even belong in this hobby.

 

[Xxzsdrklakdfj]

wo, never read something like that on this forum, and i've seen a few heated "conversations" here too, def not appropriate, like tanked said there ARE CHILDREN on this forum and it is a FRIENDLY forum. If you just HAD to say your above post to mrv a pm would have been a little more considerate for the younger readers, still not appropreate, but nowhere near as bad as posting it where anybody(including the underage)could read it. Also no living creature should be seen as a "product" Just be a little more aware of WHAT your saying, and WHO IS READING IT in the future.

-matt