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Planted tank fertilizer

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Hi all,

I’ve never had luck with plants in my tank but I think it’s due to my fertilizer use. I use the seachem flourish one and my new Java fern is starting to turn brown.

After looking online, it looks like I need to pair the seachem flourish with an additional supplement? I would really prefer an all in one supplement — any suggestions?

Thank you!
 
The API liquid fertilizer I think is pretty good. I haven’t used it but I use other products from the same brand and they work great! Not sure if it’s all in one but I am assuming so.
 
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This is what I am using (sorry it’s dirty). And you can see the not so good looking Java fern in the background
 
Actually I just looked at the ingredients of the api and it does have iron so I think it’s your best option.
 
You have Flourish Comprehensive Supplement for the Planted Aquarium, and it is at the top of the "best" list for fertilizer. Another very similar is Brightwell Aquatics' Florin Multi. A third is so far as I know only available in the UK, it is TNC Lite. These three have the nutrients in balance. With good light, they are very effective. Butyou do not want to overdose, I have had that increase black brush algae because the plants were getting a good balance of light and nutrients, and more nutrients were not needed and thus not used by the plants.

@Fish384 is correct that these do expire. Seachem suggests keeping them in the fridge after they have been opened for a few weeks. I always did that.

Someone mentioned the API fert, which presumably is Leaf Zone. which contains only iron and potassium. The nutrients in the three products I mentioned are balanced, and this is important. I have killed plants using too much iron, and it can encourage problem algae. An excess of iron can cause a plant to stop assimilating some other nutrients, sorry I've forgotten which, but the point is that all these things must balance for the needs of the plants.

The plant Java Fern is slow-growing, which means it needs less intense light and less fertilizing. If you can give us the light data (including spectrum and duration) and are there other plants? This plant does well under the shade of floating plants depending upon the light.
 
The biggest killer of plants is lack of light.

What sort of light is on the tank?
How long is the light on for?
What are the tank dimensions (length x width x height)?

How often do you add the fertiliser?
Do you do a water change before adding another dose of fertiliser?

Java fern doesn't need many nutrients and that could be part of the algae issue.

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AQUARIUM PLANTS 1.01

TURNING LIGHTS ON AND OFF

Stress from tank lights coming on when the room is dark can be an issue. Fish don't have eyelids and don't tolerate going from complete dark to bright light (or vice versa) instantly.

In the morning open the curtains or turn the room light on at least 30 minutes (or more) before turning the tank light on. This will reduce the stress on the fish and they won't go from a dark tank to a bright tank instantly.

At night turn the room light on and then turn the tank light off. Wait at least 30 minutes (or more) before turning the room light out. This allows the fish to settle down for the night instead of going from a brightly lit tank to complete darkness instantly.

Try to have the lights on at the same time each day. Use a timer if possible.

If the light unit is programmable, have it on a low setting for the first 30-60 minutes and increase the brightness over time. Do the opposite in the evening and gradually reduce the light for the last 30-60 minutes before lights out.

If you don't have live plants in the tank, you only need the light on for a few hours in the evening. You might turn them on at 4 or 5pm and off at 9pm.

If you do have live plants in the tank, you can have the lights on for 8-16 hours a day but the fish and plants need 8 hours of darkness to rest. Most people with live plants in their aquarium will have the lights on for 8-12 hours a day.


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LIGHTING TIMES
Most aquarium plants like a bit of light and if you only have the light on for a couple of hours a day, they struggle. If the light doesn't have a high enough wattage they also struggle. Try having the tank lights on for 10-12 hours a day.

If you get lots of green algae then reduce the light by an hour a day and monitor the algae over the next 2 weeks.
If you don't get any green algae on the glass then increase the lighting period by an hour and monitor it.
If you get a small amount of algae then the lighting time is about right.

Some plants will close their leaves up when they have had sufficient light. Ambulia, Hygrophilas and a few others close their top set of leaves first, then the next set and so on down the stem. When you see this happening, wait an hour after the leaves have closed up against the stem and then turn lights off.

Plant lights should have equal amount of red and blue light and a bit less green light.


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TWO LIGHT UNITS
If you have two light units on the tank, put them on timers and have one come on first, then an hour later the second one can come on. It will be less stressful for the fish.

In the evening, turn the first light off and wait an hour, then have the second light go out.

If the lights have a low, medium and high intensity setting, have them on low in the morning, then increase it to medium after a couple of hours, and then high for the main part of the day. In the evening, reverse this and have the medium setting for a few hours, then low. Then turn the lights off.


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LIST OF PLANTS TO TRY
Some good plants to try include Ambulia, Hygrophila polysperma, H. ruba/ rubra, Elodia (during summer, but don't buy it in winter because it falls apart), Hydrilla, common Amazon sword plant, narrow or twisted/ spiral Vallis, Water Sprite (Ceratopteris thalictroides/ cornuta).

The Water Sprite normally floats on the surface but can also be planted in the substrate. The other plants should be planted in the gravel.

Ambulia, H. polysperma, Elodia/ Hydrilla and Vallis are tall plants that do well along the back. Rotala macranda is a medium/ tallish red plant that usually does well.

H. ruba/ rubra is a medium height plant that looks good on the sides of the tank.

Cryptocorynes are small/ medium plants that are taller than pygmy chain swords but shorter than H. rubra. They also come in a range of colours, mostly different shades of green, brown or purplish red. Crypts are not the easiest plant to grow but can do well if they are healthy to begin with and are not disturbed after planting in the tank.

Most Amazon sword plants can get pretty big and are usually kept in the middle of the tank as a show piece. There is an Ozelot sword plant that has brown spots on green leaves, and a red ruffle sword plant (name may vary depending on where you live) with deep red leaves.

There is a pygmy chain sword plant that is small and does well in the front of the tank.


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GROWING PLANTS IN POTS
We use to grow some plants (usually swords, crypts, Aponogetons and water lilies) in 1 or 2 litre plastic icecream containers. You put an inch of gravel in the bottom of the container, then spread a thin layer of granulated garden fertiliser over the gravel. Put a 1/4inch (6mm) thick layer of red/ orange clay over the fertiliser. Dry the clay first and crush it into a powder. Then cover that with more gravel.

You put the plants in the gravel and as they grow, their roots hit the clay and fertiliser and they take off and go nuts. The clay stops the fertiliser leaching into the water.

You can smear silicon on the outside of the buckets and stick gravel or sand to them so it is less conspicuous. Or you can let algae grow on them and the containers turn green.

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We did plants in pots for a couple of reasons.
1) I was working in an aquaculture facility and we grew and sold live plants to shops. Some of the shops wanted advanced plants in pots so we did that.

2) Plants like sword plants love nutrients and have big root systems so they needed more gravel and big pots. When given ideal conditions these plants would produce lots of runners with new plants on and we got more plants to sell.

3) Most of the tanks only had a thin layer of substrate that was nowhere near thick enough for plants to grow in so having them in pots allowed us to grow plants in tanks with minimal gravel in the tank.


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TRUE AQUATIC VS MARSH/ TERRESTRIAL PLANTS
Lots of plants are sold as aquarium plants and most are marsh plants that do really well when their roots are in water and the rest of the plant is above water. Some marsh plants will do well underwater too.

Hair grass is not a true aquatic plant, neither is Anubias.

Some common marsh plants include Amazon sword plants, Cryptocorynes, Hygrophila sp, Rotala sp, Ludwigia sp, Bacopa sp. These plant do reasonably well underwater.

True aquatic plants include Ambulia, Cabomba, Hornwort, Elodia, Hydrilla and Vallis.

The main difference between marsh plants and true aquatic plants is the stem. True aquatics have a soft flexible stem with air bubbles in it. These bubbles help the plant float and remain buoyant in the water column.

Marsh plants have a rigid stem and these plants can remain standing upright when removed from water. Whereas true aquatic plants will fall over/ collapse when removed from water.


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IRON BASED PLANT FERTILISER
If you add an iron based aquarium plant fertiliser, it will help most aquarium plants do well. An iron based fertiliser is not just iron, it contains other nutrients as well, but the main ingredient is iron. The liquid iron based aquarium plant fertilisers tend to be better than the tablet forms, although you can push the tablets under the roots of plants and that works well.

You use an iron (Fe) test kit to monitor iron levels and keep them at 1mg/l (1ppm).

I used Sera Florena liquid plant fertiliser but there are other brands too.


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CARBON DIOXIDE (CO2)
There is no point adding carbon dioxide (CO2) until you have the lights and nutrients worked out. Even then you don't need CO2 unless the tank is completely full of fast growing true aquatic plants and only has a few small fish in or no fish in it.

There are no natural waterways anywhere around the world that have supplemental CO2 added to them to make aquatic plants grow. People add CO2 to aquariums to help some marsh/ terrestrial plants grow underwater. These plants should not be grown in aquariums and the fact they need to add CO2 (as well as huge amounts of fertiliser and light) just to keep them alive is a clear indication they shouldn't be kept underwater.

In an average aquarium, there is a constant source of carbon dioxide produced all day and night by the fish, and the bacteria in the gravel and filter. More CO2 gets into the aquarium from the air mixing with the water. And plants release small amounts of CO2 when resting. There is no real need to add CO2, either in a gas or liquid form to an aquarium unless it is devoid of fish. There is plenty of CO2 in the water in most aquariums.

Liquid CO2 boosters often contain Glutaraldehyde, which is a disinfectant used to clean and sterilise medical equipment. It is highly toxic to fish and other aquatic organisms and people have wiped out tanks by adding too much of it. These products should not be used for aquariums.

For aquarium plants to use supplemental CO2, they need lots of light and lots of nutrients. Unless they have the light and nutrients, they won't use a lot of CO2, so there's no point adding extra. To check if your plants are getting lots of light, see if any of them produce streams of tiny little bubbles from their leaves. This is called pearling and is the plant photosynthesising and producing tiny bubbles of oxygen. Algae also does this when given bright light and nutrients.


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PLANT SUBSTRATE
Some pet shops sell aquatic plant substrates that are meant to improve plant growth. Most don't do anything except add a lot of ammonia to the water and eventually turn into a brown mud on the bottom. Since the majority of aquatic plants take in the nutrients they need via their leaves, having a plant substrate is not going to help much. There are exceptions to this and laterite (red clay) can sometimes be added to the gravel to increase the iron level for the plants taking in nutrients via their roots. But for most plant tanks, all you need is gravel on the bottom of the tank.

Most aquatic plants need at least 2 inches of substrate to grow in and some need 3-4 inches.
 
Hi all,

I’ve never had luck with plants in my tank but I think it’s due to my fertilizer use. I use the seachem flourish one and my new Java fern is starting to turn brown.

After looking online, it looks like I need to pair the seachem flourish with an additional supplement? I would really prefer an all in one supplement — any suggestions?

Thank you!
Java fern turning brown is something I have experience of and have seen it reported quite frequently on various websites. One thing that I have seen suggested is that potassium supplement may solve the problem. I never tried this, I just got rid of the java fern as my other plants were growing well. Do you have any other plants in your tank? Are they doing well? I have vallis, anarcharis and anubias in my tanks, and they all grow really well with TNC Lite and basisc root tabs for the vallis. I'm shortly going to be adding some Christmas moss. I have minimal algae and what i do have is kept in check by the nerite snails. Rather than chasing perfect conditions for the java fern, maybe just buy a selection of easy to grow plants and go with the ones that work?. You will need a decent light. What light do you use, and what are your tank dimensions? I think your flourish is probably okay: https://forum.seachem.com/forum/sunken-gardens/1772-flourish-turning-black
 
Thanks for everyone’s answers! So yes, the fertilizer is expired! I didn’t realize they expire. So if I buy another, it’s looking like API is best option for all in one fertilizer?
 
No the API one (Leaf Zone) contains only iron and potassium. Plants need something like 13 nutrients not just two.
The one you have, Seachem Comprehensive Supplement, is much better as that contains almost all the needed nutrients and in the right proportions.


What other plants do you have? Java fern is a slow growing plant and if that's all you have, you need to use a tiny fraction of the dose on the bottle as that dose is for tanks heavily planted with fast growing plants. Java fern needs very little fertiliser and if too much is used the excess just feeds algae.
 
No the API one (Leaf Zone) contains only iron and potassium. Plants need something like 13 nutrients not just two.
The one you have, Seachem Comprehensive Supplement, is much better as that contains almost all the needed nutrients and in the right proportions.


What other plants do you have? Java fern is a slow growing plant and if that's all you have, you need to use a tiny fraction of the dose on the bottle as that dose is for tanks heavily planted with fast growing plants. Java fern needs very little fertiliser and if too much is used the excess just feeds algae.
Okay so buy a new seachem fertilizer then (since mine is expired)? I have an Amazon sword, Java moss and Anubias. But working on adding more soon.
 
Java fern and anubias are both slow growing and therefore don't need much fertiliser. Because they are both grown on decor they need a small amount of liquid fertiliser.
Amazon swords are heavy root feeders. They grow best with root tabs rather than liquid fertiliser. Seachem also make Flourish Root Tabs, one of the best on the market. One tab pushed into the substrate near the sword plant, replaced every 3 months is good for them.

Don't buy an extra large bottle of liquid fertiliser or it will expire before it's half gone. I split mine into two or three small bottles and put all but one in the freezer. That one is the one currently being used, and I keep it in the fridge.
 

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