Pirami, pale chub

[Tokis-Phoenix]

I was researching korean and japanese fish earlier, and i came across this beautiful fish called a pirami, or pale chub, most of the info i found about them was how to fish them or what kind of streams they like living in, but i would like to know more aquarium relevant info about them like what their temperment is like or what foods is best to feed them, what water conditions they like or wether they are available much in the fish keeping trade itself, any ideas?
Heres the pics i found of this beautiful fish ;

http/www.animalpicturesarchive.com/view.php?tid=2&did=759

http/www.anglerstown.com/e_koreafish.htm

Any info is much apreiciated, i've been looking for a nice big unusual centre peice fish for my new tank for some time now other than my common and sailfin plecs .

EDIT: oh, also i found this fish, i wasn't sure what section to put it in so i will put it here, if anyone knows what it is called i would be very grateful as the current info on it is in korean (i think);

http/www.animalpicturesarchive.com/view....tid=4&did=49511

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Meh? even if its just indentifying what family fish group they belong to, i'd be grateful for any info .

 

[pica_nuttalli]

if i recall, chub are coldwater fish, correct? you may have more luck asking around in there.

 

[mbhw]

The bottom pic looks like a rainbow dace. The pale chubs are awesome!

 

[sylvia]

Those are amazing fish! I've never heard of them being kept as pets though.

BTW, that 3rd fish is rhodeus sp. (some kind of bitterling) but I'm having trouble pin-pointing the exact species. You see it has the red stripe into the tail and the pink and blue vertical stripes behind the gills like r. ocellatus but the pink dorsal tip and dorsal shape of r. sericeus then the over-all pattern is a mix of the two and reminds me of r. amanus It also seems over-all very unaturaly-colored. It may be I'm unfamiliar with the exact species as there are so many but I don't know.

Isn't the rainbow dace the same as a red shiner? (Common names are so confusing.) If it is, then that's not it... If it isn't, it may well be.

I know I'm not being helpfull Sorry it's late/early (depending on how you look at it) and I realy need to sleep...

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Those are amazing fish! I've never heard of them being kept as pets though.

BTW, that 3rd fish is rhodeus sp. (some kind of bitterling) but I'm having trouble pin-pointing the exact species. You see it has the red stripe into the tail and the pink and blue vertical stripes behind the gills like r. ocellatus but the pink dorsal tip and dorsal shape of r. sericeus then the over-all pattern is a mix of the two and reminds me of r. amanus It also seems over-all very unaturaly-colored. It may be I'm unfamiliar with the exact species as there are so many but I don't know.

Isn't the rainbow dace the same as a red shiner? (Common names are so confusing.) If it is, then that's not it... If it isn't, it may well be.

I know I'm not being helpfull Sorry it's late/early (depending on how you look at it) and I realy need to sleep...

Thanks for the info !

I was hoping because so many sites claimed you could fish for piramis in japanese and korean rivers, and because the climate is very warm over there, that they were tropical so i could keep one in my new tropical tank, but if not, ah well...

With the rhodeus.sp, you say its coloring looks unnatural- could it be dyed? Im assuming this is a tropical fish, no?

 

[pica_nuttalli]

it's my experience that anything coming from a japanese river is a coldwater fish. (dojo loach, carp, marimo balls...) japan/korea are just warm for their latitude; they're still cool temperate climates.

 

[Fishy411]

Those are amazing fish! I've never heard of them being kept as pets though.

BTW, that 3rd fish is rhodeus sp. (some kind of bitterling) but I'm having trouble pin-pointing the exact species. You see it has the red stripe into the tail and the pink and blue vertical stripes behind the gills like r. ocellatus but the pink dorsal tip and dorsal shape of r. sericeus then the over-all pattern is a mix of the two and reminds me of r. amanus It also seems over-all very unaturaly-colored. It may be I'm unfamiliar with the exact species as there are so many but I don't know.

Isn't the rainbow dace the same as a red shiner? (Common names are so confusing.) If it is, then that's not it... If it isn't, it may well be.

I know I'm not being helpfull Sorry it's late/early (depending on how you look at it) and I realy need to sleep...

Thanks for the info !

I was hoping because so many sites claimed you could fish for piramis in japanese and korean rivers, and because the climate is very warm over there, that they were tropical so i could keep one in my new tropical tank, but if not, ah well...

With the rhodeus.sp, you say its coloring looks unnatural- could it be dyed? Im assuming this is a tropical fish, no?

i have no experience with biterlings but it does look dyed. the fins dont look natural and neither does the tail

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Ok thanks for the info, i'll avoid that fish then if its dyed.

 

[Teelie]

I'd still love to have some of those pale chubs. I could do coldwater for some of them.

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Same here, im tempted to start up a coldwater tank just for them if i found some- they are way more interesting and beautiful than goldfish !!!

 

[Teelie]

They don't get very big either according to that one site, only 6 inches max so they wouldn't need a large pond or tank like Goldfish. A 30g could probably hold a small school.

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

They say they are found in streams in korea and japan and eat insects and their larvae, i realy, realy want these fish and i was wondering if anyone knows how i could posibly get one of these fish over here in the UK??

 

[Teelie]

I'm going to ask my LFS about them but given the long lag time for my butterfly plecs and shellies, it might be better to just fly out there, get them and come back.

 

[Teelie]

I did some digging and here's what I got.

Proper name: Zacco platypus (aka Pirami, Pale Chub, Oikawa, Freshwater Minnow)

Fishbase
50-71°F (10-22°C) temperature
Max size is 7.8 inches (20cm)
Feeding and habitat: Common in streams and rivers with rapid water flow, but not deep or stagnant waters. Feeds on zooplankton, small crustaceans, macroscopic algae, small fish and detritus.

And according to this site, they're not easy to keep for long periods of time. However, this could just be person's own limited or bad experience with them. I'm still interested in finding them for aquarium sale unless they really are short lived or too fragile (though they are found in polluted streams, I find this unlikely).