Petition: Dont rescue anymore betta's

well, if they sold a dying dog for 300 dollars, you wouldnt buy it to save it would you?

Mmm, first of all, most stores would get shut down for selling a dying dog because humane laws actually cover THOSE animals. Additionally, they would actually lose money if 20 or so dogs died in their store; they aren't losing much money if 10 bettas that they bought from a shoddy breeder cheaply die. If anything, those crappy little betta tanks people buy is what is funding the business because its sending the message "yes, you can keep them in poor conditions; I will too, and I'll pay 10-20 bucks to do it."
And furthermore, the store conditions are not continuing to stay poor because of the handful of people that occasionally buy a sick one and nurse it back to health, its because of the THOUSANDS of people who know jack sh!t about fish and buy them anyways, have them die in a week, then buy another one, seeing as bettas are the ultimate "disposable pet." I've seen people buying fish who are blatantly ill and they just don't realize it. They probably won't bother going through the hasstle of refunding three dollars like I do when I take home the dying; they'll just keep buying them. If anything, this petition should be telling all stores to stop selling bettas because I am telling you point blank, unless the entire attitude of the general public changes, they WILL NOT stop selling them in poor conditions.

some must be sacrificed others for many others to survive. if they keep dying in the shop, they will figure that they are losing more money than they are gaining. they will then stop or sell less of them.
I went to Wallmart one week and saw 12 dead bettas, 3 dying bettas, and 2 healthy ones. While I was there, a teenage kid bought one of the dying ones because it was "pretty" (clearly didn't realize it was sick) without even noticing or caring that there were 12 dead ones there. Lets say the shipment was origionally 20 fish; they're losing more in dead and sick fish than they're selling. But it doesn't matter, because they know they can sell those 3 alive ones, plus a tank, plus gravel, plus a plant. Like I said before, the problem is more based in the public buying the crappy little betta tanks because it shows that menial conditions are OK. And also reiterating my point, if you buy one sick or dying betta occasionally, get a refund on it so they're not making any profit, and buy DECENT SIZED tanks for all of the survivors at stores that either don't sell bettas or demonstrate responsible betta husbandry, you're doing a much better service than letting them die in a cup.

Now, I always call, complain, and sometimes even leaflett. But it doesn't particularly do anything. Because, lets face it, Wallmart makes billions of dollars. If they lose one customer over a fish, I don't think they're going to care too much, because they'll still make their money. I mean, jesus, GAP won't listen to the public about CHILD LABOR. Do you think a few scattered phone calls from fish fanatics will change the world? I'll keep complaining of course, but like I said before and will say again: the biggest antagonist of betta welfare is not the occasional rescuers, but the entire mindset of the general public.

While I'm on a rant, I should point out that there is a big difference between "rescuing" truly ill bettas who are dying then getting a refund so that the store still doesn't profit, and "rescuing" one because you feel bad for it. Because, feeling bad or not, you're still just buying a fish and you're still just funding the store. Now granted, I understand that you can't always get from a breeder, but I would suggest if you are to buy bettas from stores, try and find the store with the best conditions possible.

And finally, if anyone yelling at good-intentioned people for "rescuing" bettas and thus fueling the industry has ever bought from a pet store (or even a breeder in some respects) a dog, cat, or bird... step down. Because there are MILLIONS of homeless dogs and cats being euthanized every day, and by spending $300-1,000+ on a purebred is telling pet stores and breeders to keep producing, which will only result in homes that could go to shelter animals being taken up. You want purebreds? Almost 1/3 of the dogs in shelters are purebreds. And with breed rescues, there's very little excuse for actually buying a dog or cat. Birds aren't much different; the rescues are exploding with homeless, unwanted birds, largely because pet stores especially will indiscriminately sell them to anyone who can wave money in their face. Even though there are more than enough second hand birds needing a home, no one goes for them; its always the nearest Petco or Petsmart. What kind of message is a $2,000 Amazon parrot sending to a store about how much the public cares about captive bird overpopulation? A much bigger message than a 3 dollar fish....

((sorry for the rantage, but I'm rather cranky today and since I work at shelters and have 6 wonderful second hand birds, this topic gets me angry))
 
AMEN to that.
I work with a woman who runs a guinea pig rescue shelter.
She takes in guinea pigs that no one wants anymore who have become so badly neglected that they are in horrible conditions.

She's working on 2 little fellas right now who were so badly infested with mites that their skin was bloodied and they were having seizures every 10 minutes. Several hundred dollars and vet visits (complete with the bill for those visits) AND several weeks worth of tender loving care later, these little guys are down to having only a few seizures an hour. the thing that got me the most about these poor little pigs is that it was a nice well-to do family in SUN PRAIRIE, WISCONSIN - beautiful newer 3-car garage, wife had a big rock on her hand, yadda yadda... They called the woman to come get them and she was HORRIFIED. They never even offered her a donation to take them, even though she told them there would be several vet visits involved.

And THIS is also what makes me SICK about places that sell guinea pigs in the stores - again, to anyone who will wave money in their faces.

People disgust me, not all of them, but most of them. Particularly the ones who sit atop the organizational structure at these morbid pet stores and sell animals strictly to turn a profit. People like that are destined to BURN IN HELL while cute fuzzy/furry/finned creatures torment them til the end of time.
 
RandomWiktor said:
While I'm on a rant, I should point out that there is a big difference between "rescuing" truly ill bettas who are dying then getting a refund so that the store still doesn't profit, and "rescuing" one because you feel bad for it. Because, feeling bad or not, you're still just buying a fish and you're still just funding the store. Now granted, I understand that you can't always get from a breeder, but I would suggest if you are to buy bettas from stores, try and find the store with the best conditions possible.
I agree. It's the "oh, poor betta, I feel sorry for it" that I'd like to see stop.


And finally, if anyone yelling at good-intentioned people for "rescuing" bettas and thus fueling the industry has ever bought from a pet store (or even a breeder in some respects) a dog, cat, or bird... step down.

Well, I'll keep stepping up, then, because I have never bought a dog, cat, or bird from a pet store, or a breeder (although I would certainly buy animals from a reputable, humane breeder). I haven't been vocal about my beliefs on the subject in this thread, because I believe you can't force your beliefs down people's throats. The best you can do is present them, and be opening to listening to their opinions on the subject as well. I am more then happy to talk about the situation, and you can see my opinion over on the "breeders, conformation needed" thread. But remember, not all people who are against betta "rescue" and re-inforcing the store's behavior have supported the pet stores by buying cats, dogs, and birds.

Also, cats, dogs, and birds already have a bit in the way of protections. Fish don't. If you are really concerned about their treatment, try something to change the laws. Go out, make a change in the law, a change in the way things are done. Follow in RW's grassroot footsteps if that seems like it would work for you, or come up with an idea of your own. Get the word out. Contact the people who represent you in the government - they are working for you!

Be unreasonable! Do you think Nelson Mandela stood for his beliefs by paying them lip service and being reasonable? No. In fact, while in prison, they would send guards in daily to beat him, telling him to change his beliefs. He stuck by the possiblilities he saw in the world, and they had to get new guard to beat him every couple of weeks. Why? Because after a couple of weeks, the guards would no longer be willing to beat this man for standing inside of the possibility that the world could change for the better. It was unreasonable, through these beatings and the long, long years of inprisonment, for Mandela to stay true to his beliefs and stand for the change he wanted to see in the world.

It was unreasonable, but he did it anyway. And he changed the world.
 
bettamomma, i rescued our guinea pig from the pet shop. he was sitting in the corner of a cage in the back of the shop away from the others and being white i could see how red raw his skin was. i walked away but went back again and sat looking at him. i got the assistant and she said that he was put there to die.
i got him for free and spent nearly £30 at the vet for treatment over two weeks for mites, and the vet said he only had a couple of days to live.
i have a pic of him in the non fish pics and now three years later he is the most cutest pig, and i cant believe i nearly walked away.

i understand that the lure of a sick fish is sometimes too much and you buy them because you can nurse them, and then see how lovely they look when they are truly happy. sorry but if i see a fish i can help then i will buy it, but if i cant buy it i always tell the assistant how wrong they are in keeping them in poor conditions.
 
Black angel, I'd have done the exact same thing. People say to stop buying pigs and other such animals from petstores, but I bet your little piggy is thankful every single day that you didn't just walk away. HIGH fives to you for taking him home and loving him. And really - if I were to ever be in the same position as you were, i'd have to just make room for one more little sickly piggy at my house.

That's how I acquired my 3 betta boys, too - they were very sick and droopy looking at the store.
 
black angel said:
i understand that the lure of a sick fish is sometimes too much and you buy them because you can nurse them, and then see how lovely they look when they are truly happy. sorry but if i see a fish i can help then i will buy it, but if i cant buy it i always tell the assistant how wrong they are in keeping them in poor conditions.
:thumbs:

I haven't touched this thread as of yet because I have very mixed feelings on the subject. I've beat myself up over buying a fish that was sick and doomed,not because of the fish or the money but because I gave the machine more money. But I'm with ya,sometimes it's too hard to walk away and leave them to die.

I used to sit here and cry knowing they were only two blocks away,rotting in cups. Then I took a whole new method on,I clearly could not save each and every one. Clearly the store didn't care. So I just started doing water changes and feeding the fish at the store when no one was around. I'll bust open a brand new package of pellets or dechlorinator or meds, I don't care. Who's going to stop me? Management? Bring them on :flex: They're just the person I was looking for anyway!
I've found this is only a temporary relief for the fish but it also helps me to not purchase anymore. Of course it embarasses the piss out of my daughter but I hope she remembers it someday.
 
RW, I just wanted to say that I support and stand for you in your desire to make things better for bettas as a whole, and not being satisfied with going fish to fish. You have inspired me to look more deeply into the lobbying possibilities available to pets. Although our opinions on specific issues may be different, I appreciate what you're doing, big-picture. The little stuff's just that - little stuff.

Thanks. :thumbs:
 
wuvmybetta said:
So I just started doing water changes and feeding the fish at the store when no one was around. I'll bust open a brand new package of pellets or dechlorinator or meds, I don't care. Who's going to stop me? Management? Bring them on :flex: They're just the person I was looking for anyway!
I've found this is only a temporary relief for the fish but it also helps me to not purchase anymore. Of course it embarasses the piss out of my daughter but I hope she remembers it someday.
Good for you. You give them what you can, without giving the store any profit. :thumbs:

I think Tues may remember this when she has something she passionately believes in. You are showing her the difference that actions can make.
 
cation said:
Also, cats, dogs, and birds already have a bit in the way of protections. Fish don't. If you are really concerned about their treatment, try something to change the laws. Go out, make a change in the law, a change in the way things are done. Follow in RW's grassroot footsteps if that seems like it would work for you, or come up with an idea of your own. Get the word out. Contact the people who represent you in the government - they are working for you!
I can't do the grassroots work, since I recently took a position in the government (altough it is only with a City and not National in character). Will see what I can do about convincing one of the legislators to pass a ordinance. We are building an Aqauculture Center so I guess the people there are interested in fish.

As for the Stop Rescue campaign. Yes, we are few, but you have to start somewhere. What happens if we all just wait till the others stop too? Buy from those who threat them right, even if you have to pay addition $ for it. You shrink the market for the LFS a little, and increase the market of the responsibel breeders. It may just be a little, but it is a start.

If you can rescue them without giving the store money, than by all means rescue, since all that you really have to hit is the stores bottom line.
 

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