Petco, Petclub, Petsmart

In my experience it depends on the individual stores. Some PetSmart's/PetCo's have poor conditions, but I went to one today and the guy there was very knowledgeable (about plants anyway; I wasn't buying fish).

I went into the local pet store a couple of days ago and the one woman didn't even know what substrate was..
 
The thing that I'm always curious about is that these chains are businesses, they're in it to make money (just like any other pet store). But the fact that they loose so many of their fish before they sell them makes you think that if they invested in a better system they would make much more profit.

Am I the only one that sees this as a viable option for these chains? :/


Speaking as an employee who has worked at several small, private LFS's in multiple locations over the years, I can honestly say with the advent of transshipping and wholesalers providing fish from overseas for pennies on the dollar to local, hobbyist-bred fish, the fish themselves are NOT the high ticket item they used to be. MUCH more money is made on supplies than on fish, these days. Now, only a few very expensive, hard to breed or wild-caught only fish really earn a store a sizeable profit (and these are the fish that the "big boxes" don't usually ever get.) Wholesalers make money on fish, most stores don't.

Take an average fish, say a common "rainbow platy", a fish that usually retails for roughly $1.99 USD. The wholesaler may order 1,000 of them and pay about 3 cents each--30 bucks. Say it's a particularly bad shipment and only half of them survive shipping, so they've essentially paid 6 cents a fish.

They turn around and sell these fish to stores--both LFS and "big box" stores--at about $.65 each. That's over 10 times markup. They only need to sell about *45* of their surviving 500 platies to make back their investment, and if they sell them all in that single week (nearly guaranteed) they'll make $295 on that one BAD order of platies alone. Because the fish move so fast from a wholesaler, they have relatively few costs associated with feeding any individual fish, they very rarely medicate common/inexpensive fish, etc. If more survive, they will make even more money on the order--and wholesalers do NOT adjust their prices to retailers based on the survival rate. A rainbow platy will cost that store $.65 if 50% of that week's shipment survived to the wholesalers, or if it was a 90% survival rate week for them.

The average LFS may buy 10 of one color variety of platy any given week, so their rainbow platies that week are going to cost them $6.50. Local shipping by truck is less risky than overseas shipping, so they may lose 2 of the 10 within the first 24 hours. So they've paid, essentially, $.82 a fish.

Customers *expect* rainbow platies to sell for $1.99 and will generally refuse to buy them if they're signifigantly more expensive, so that is where the store will almost surely price them. From their $.82/fish cost, this turns into roughly a 2.5x markup. If they sell all their rainbow platies with no more casualties, they'll have made a grand whopping $9.36. Add in the fact that it takes stores much longer to move fish--it may take 3 weeks to sell all those rainbow platies--and that a good store will medicate them if they get sick, feed them their entire stay, etc, and the profit drops even lower.

So honestly it's not worth the thousands of dollars it would cost to upgrade a system just to increase survival rate a bit, for a LFS OR a "big box" store. The money is much better invested in more and more varied dry goods, which are generally bought directly from manufacturers, marked up much less from the soruce to the retailers, and don't die or consume resources to maintain.

I will add one comment on the frequency of dead fish in a "big box" vs. LFS--generally, all the big box stores, and even Walmart, etc, have all their tanks on 1-4 main filtration systems that handle a large number of tanks each, while a lot of LFS's, especially the older ones that were built in the era of the undergravel filter, have each tank on a seperate filter. With wholesalers and transshippers, disease in incoming fish is a LOT more rampant than it was when LFS's mostly bought from hobbyists. So if we get one species that comes in with ich or dropsy, we may lose 2/3 of the individuals of 3 species of fish (the average number per a single tank), and while that hurts financially, it's not a death sentance. We also can treat that single tank, not sell from it, and hope for some recovery. When one species of fish gets into a "big box" chain tank, it can easily and quickly infect that ENTIRE pump system and spread to a good 20 or 30 tanks, 60 or 80 varieties of fish, and the only way to treat it would be to treat that entire system, and it's a serious fiscal blow to not be able to sell, oh, ANY community fish at all until the problem is gone.
 
I would stick with the LFS unless your looking for products. My LFS has a good selection of live fish but has products over priced :/ .
 
We have "Mom & Pop" LFS that has been around for about 10 years that stocks pretty much anything you need to keep any sort of pet. About 5 years ago a big box chain store opened right across the street from the "Mom & Pop" store. Everyone thought it was the death of the "Mom & Pop" store but it has survived. The biggest reasons that it is still around are quality, service and believe it or not, price. On average their prices are 20% lower than the big box store (and they aren't necessarily trying to under-cut the big store, their prices are more in line with other stores in surrounding areas).

I was in the big box store the other day just to look around and when you walked in you could literally hear crickets chirping (from the feeder tanks). There was maybe a couple customers in the store but not a single employee in sight. In fact, I watched people leave after waiting several minutes at the checkout with products they wanted to purchase but because there were no employees around they couldn't pay for them. When you finally do find an employee they have no interest in helping you and definitely don't know what they are selling. Like other posters have said you can't really blame the employees as they are mostly just students with part time jobs.

I have never been a fan of big box stores (of any type) because they are generally all about trying to make the sale rather than trying to meet the customers needs.
 
Get a 10g tank and add a few decorations. Then get an extra filter and set it up in your 36g tank. Let the filter run for several weeks so the filter can get the good bacteria in it. Fill your 10g tank up the day before purchasing fish. Buy your fish, then transfer the extra filter over and maybe some gravel from your 36g tank and then acclimate your fish. You want to have the 10g tank cycled so that you don't add more stress to your newly purchased fish. If the lfs has dead or diseased fish, I HIGHLY recommend that you quarantine these fish for 4 full weeks. Let them have time to recover from the bad conditions and the travel stress while allowing their immune system to recover. Treating a 10g tank for any illness is so much cheaper than a larger tank and you are not exposing your existing fish to illness. During this time, make sure you know what they like to eat and give that to them. I personally pamper them (and the rest of my fish) so if they are a carnivore, give them frozen foods or live foods.

Hope this helps,
Shelly


LISTEN UP because this is about as good of advice as you can get. I started using a system similar to this and have had ZERO problems.
 
To hell with all of you


I work for petsmart as the aquatic specialist and i am damn proud of my department, we take very good care of the fish and out loss is lower then any store in the region, we even have much better conditions then many of the privatly owned stores in the district.

We have had no outbreask of any disease at all.

Our tanks are disease free with the medications we supply right after they arive.

I feed all my fish properly and they are fed twice daily.I care deeply and passionatly for my fish, i will refuse sale to anyone who i deem unfit to house the fish that i literally bleed for.

I care for every fish as it were my own and i'm not some know nothing employee, i am a vetran of 2 different fish stores and i know my stuff, i have given advice to many of you people on this forum.

I worked for petco as well....i can't say much for the one i worked at, it was severly understaffed and the animals were negelected, thats why i lelft to work at petsmart which is fully staffed, clean, and superior in every way.

I have saved the lives of countless fish because of my actions to better the department i work at. Even if its a chain, they are living breathing fish and i will everything in my power to continue the best care i can possible give.

I put our animals above everything else, even the customers.
 
I put our animals above everything else, even the customers.

:beer:
i tip my glass to you!
wish there were more people like you out there!!!!

to be honest, I haven't had any experience w/ any petsmart (no going to hell for me) only PetCo.


say what you can about petco, they do suck. The one that is across from my petsmart is a horrible place, dead aniamls left and right, unclean tanks, improper care.

every fish in that palce is fed one thing, flakes, they don't clean the tanks properly , and they don't know how tomedicate anything nor do they have a sick tank.
 
I think it depends on which one you go to. I went to one Petsmart that had seemingly healthy fish, but I got one home and it died immediately and killed many of my fish. There aren't many Petcos around here, and I don't think I've ever bought fish from there. There is a Petsmart a bit farther down the road from me that takes very good care of their fish. I recently bought 4 von rio tetras there and they are doing very well. :) I think it depends on the people working there. You can get great employees that know what they are talking about or those who have no clue. I once overheard an employee tell this woman that gouramis don't mind water 95-100 degree water. -_- So yeah. Depends on the employees. Dead fish floating in the tanks is a good sign they aren't well taken care of.
 

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