Peta And Bettas

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It's been awhile since I've bothered with PETA, but someone just passed this to me:

http://www.peta2.com/TAKECHARGE/t-bettafish.asp?c=p2m24

Apparently, it's their latest "project".

Do bettas really live in large ponds and streams? I've always heard they naturally occur in small rice paddies and don't really mind small stagnant confines - though I don't mean the tiny bowls they're sold in when I say that.
 
It depends on the species really, but while in theory their points are commendable, they really don't have the faintest idea about these fish. They are so far removed from wild B. Spledens that some could argue (including me :p) that they are almost a seperate species. But not quite, obviously. While wilds may be better in a lake than a 5g, standard long finned varieties and other strains could never live in anything that large. The fish they are reffering to don't have a natural habitat- the same as you can't say that the forest is a natural home for a chiuaua.
 
thats so stupid... dont buy me i want to be free... if we didnt buy them they would be stuck in that small container forever right ?? do they free them when ppl dont buy them ?
 
I guess I always had it in the back of my head that those long-finned colorful bettas you see in stores aren't wild bettas. So there's no real harm done here, is there? Petstore bettas are probably better off being sold than being kept in those mini-bowls and wild bettas aren't being endangered.

PETA is so messed up.
 
PETA is an extremist organization of radicalist animal rights "activists" whose idea of an ideal world is one in which domesticated animals cease to exist. Their founder is known for condoing activities such as "liberating" domesticated animals, which are incapable of defending themselves, and supporting BSL and feral cat killing projects. What's more, their shelter has a kill rate of at least 80% at any given time, worse than most inner city animal control centers. They keep enough high-profile rescues around to slap fuzzy faces on calendars, and euthanize the rest because they think animals are better off dead than human owned. Their goal is total animal liberation - no pets, no livestock, nothing. And quite frankly, they have a friggen vendetta against the human race. They use lies and misleading information to promote their viewpoints, and trick caring animal lovers into supporting their repulsive organization by thinly disgusing themselves as people who care about animals. And no, I'm not an ultra-conservative meat-eating hunter saying this; these are the words of a vegan animal welfare advocate who happens to have a betta sanctuary.
Now, as for the information, it is true that some species of bettas live in streams and ponds. B. splendens is more often found in rice paddies and marshy/swampy habitats, which - though shallow and stagnant - are typically quite expansive, often at least the size of a foodball field or larger. During the dry season, these bodies of water do become very shallow and in some spots bettas are forced to live temporarily in puddles, which is why they've evolved their fantastic air-breathing aparatus to survive in stagnant water. It is not, however, the ideal or natural water condition for the species, and you can bet your bippy that they are healthier and happier when water is more abundant.
As others have said, however, domesticated bettas can not always handle much space because of their lofty finnage, and often do better in 2.5-5g. I personally am against keeping bettas in less than 2.5g, and prefer to see 5-10g. The minimum for the species currently stands at 1g, though I'd like to see it at 2.5-3g for the sake of the inch per gallon rule, as water quality goes downhill fast in smaller containers, which are also almost impossible to safely heat. So while bettas definately don't need a pond like PETA says, they definately do deserve more space than they are currently alloted by the pet trade.
I understand the point of the campaign - boycott bettas, since most stores and uneducated owners keep them cruelly - but as usual, it is tainted with misinformation. A better campaign would explain proper betta husbandry, discourage buying from stores who do not properly care for bettas, and suggest buying from reputable breeders instead of supporting the mass breeding and "throw-away pet" mentality pushed by pet stores marketing bettas as decorations. Another good idea ruined by PETA's utter impotence when it comes to campaigning, I'm afriad.
 
While I do agree with most of PETA's projects, I never agree with their methods, becuase they always end up just making people so p*ssed off at them. The message they're trying to get across is awlays seen as being as ridiculous as the method of delivery.

They are technically right about the sale of bettas. The only way to get stores to stop stocking bettas in bad conditions, and selling to people who keep them in small containers, or worse, the cups they came in, is to boycott bettas altogether. :sad: Living in lakes and streams... well... not the fancy-finned guys. Stores won't stop what their doing until their profits are damaged.

As it is, there is an "overpopulation" of domesticated bettas, and so if they die or are kept in bad conditions, who really cares because it's easy to buy another for 4 bucks. I'm sure it costs the stores pennies to buy them and ship them from overseas, so what store really cares enough to put the time in? Bettas are just "disposible pets", like cats and dogs these days.

Edit: actually, an 80% euthanasia rate is about standard for a high-volume animal shelter. The shelter where I volunteer, I'm sad to say, is pretty close to that. There just aren't enough people interested in adopting animals to get even close to the number that are dumped or surrendered - and we'll adopt to anyone who walks in the door (which I personally don't like).
 
PETA don't agree with fish being kept at all, which would result in an incredibly high death rate- you can hardly release already caught fish back into the wild, and PETA say you can't keep them, so what do they want people to do with them?

Even assuming the whole world stops buying bettas, there are still thousands, and shops will still get in several deliveries before they decide it's not profitable to get any more in.
 
There's little in this world I hate more than PETA.

And I'm a vegetarian. :lol: No, really, I am.
 
PETA is what's called an ecoterrorist group, though they do a very good job of disguising it. I've had some experience dealing with them in the past, and they've got some of the most annoying and misguided people I've seen.

I don't think the sale of bettas should be boycotted altogether. Petstores need to keep them in bigger containers and educate their customers better, but there's no point in boycotting them. Have any of us fishkeepers made a push for this? I don't see it being very hard for petstores to switch from using those tiny bowls and cups to a 1-gallon container.
 
PETA is a terrorist organization operating beneath the nose of the government as an animal rights campaign. They destroy millions of animals each year purely because they believe that they speak for these said animals. They have been also known to fund Christian religious fundamentalists responsible for homicide bombings and other acts of violence world wide. Though I appreciate they're project to bring rights to the fish community, I would never under any circumstances donate money to aid their organization.
 
Ah, PETA. Love some of their ideas, but their ways of protesting are just messed up. :S One time they had someone dress in nothing but underwear, paint their body to look like a tiger, and be locked up in a cage in the middle of the city. It was to protest circus animals.. Kind of.. EXTREME.
 
If PETA were less radical and, in all honesty, frighteningly rabid people may have more time for some of their less idiotic ideas

They wanted to stop people eating fish and chips because of the way they were caught!

Man has domesticated animals for as long as we have been alive and keeping animals as companions for the same amount of time.

If they kept their ideology simple and made sure people looked after what they had and treated pets ethically and responsibly people would warm to them.

But currently I think they are madder than a box of badgers and cannot take them seriously at all.

Sorry for the rant, just dislike the way PETA are going.
 
i dunno... i think PETA does occassionally have a good point, but they just always take things a few steps too far. they're the sort of crazy that happens when you sit in a corner and obsess about a single problem for too long. after a while, most obsessions result in the conclusion "wouldn't the [victim] just be better off dead?"--which is generally stupid and ultimately not our decision to make. that's not solving any problems; its just removing them.

...but i agree with them about boycotting mutt bettas. its no different than boycotting puppy-mills. (the stickers, however, are still stupid.)
 
Okay. If a betta wants to be free, and it's kept in a small container at the store, wouldn't buying it and putting it in a nice, clean, 2.5+g tank be making it free?

Oh, but wait, I forgot that PETA is oblivious to logic.

I'll try to keep the PETA-bashing to a minimum here (too late), but this is a ridiculous campaign. Even if PETA-followers stopped buying bettas, that isn't going to stop others from purchasing them--others who don't have the faintest idea how to care for a betta in the first place. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't that detrimental to the whole "stop animal cruelty" ideal?

Maybe their intentions are good, but their methods are not.
 
...you can hardly release already caught fish back into the wild, and PETA say you can't keep them, so what do they want people to do with them?
That's what worries me. What the hell do they want you to do? They are the same way about captive birds, many of which are captive bred and raised and would have no idea how to fend for themselves in the wild, nevermind the selectively bred colour variations that might as well be wearing a big "Please, come eat me" sign. Most domestic splendens wouldn't survive a week in the wild. We have produced many animals that are dependent on our care for their very survival.

PETA, much like other cult organizations, also targets children with their ad campaigns, often bypassing their parents by handing out pamphlets in parks and schools. One such pamphlet is called "Your Mommy Kills Animals". It includes such memorable lines as:
Ask your mommy how many dead animals she killed to make her fur clothes. Then tell her that you know she paid men to hurt and kill the animals. Everyone knows. And the sooner she stops wearing the fur, the sooner the animals will be safe. Until then, keep your doggie or kitty friends away from mommy-she's an animal killer!
There's also a gruesome picture of a skinned animal. Remember, this is a pamphlet for CHILDREN. Here's a link to a PDF version, if you want to see it for yourself, but be warned it is pretty graphic even by adult standards:
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/downloads/r..._mommykills.pdf
 

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