:-( One Of My Girls Has Dropsy

[dogfood]

Erm. I'm sure Zoe knows how to take care of their fish. Bragging about how you "nurse your fish back to heal" and how "how your bettas never get sick" isn't really neccesary. Maracyn has dropsy on the list because it can help cure it in the earliest of stages but once the fish is obtaining water salt baths are usually the only way to help them which won't even help that much by the time you realize the fish has dropsy. Euthanising is the easier road out if you know your fish is suffering which is a wiser choice than to put all different kinds of medicines in a tank and like suffocating the fish to death instead.

Umm...that's fine and dandy but dropsy pineconing don't occur OVERNIGHT!!!! Can you grasp that concept???

 

[Wisperian]

&how are all bacterias pathogens? Pathogens cause diseases. Some bacteria are good. Everyone can basically tell you that easily. Getting all "technical" and "scientific" with these words isn't going to make whatever you say right



EDIT: "grasp the concept"? Can YOU grasp the concept that not everyone can be super fish man and notice dropsy UNTIL the pineconing? So what if it doesn't happen overnight? Do you get a magnifying glass to examine your fish daily? Symptoms of dropsy aren't as easily recognized as the pineconing which is when most people will identify what's wrong with the fish

 

[zoekin8yg]

Erm. I'm sure Zoe knows how to take care of their fish. Bragging about how you "nurse your fish back to heal" and how "how your bettas never get sick" isn't really neccesary. Maracyn has dropsy on the list because it can help cure it in the earliest of stages but once the fish is obtaining water salt baths are usually the only way to help them which won't even help that much by the time you realize the fish has dropsy. Euthanising is the easier road out if you know your fish is suffering which is a wiser choice than to put all different kinds of medicines in a tank and like suffocating the fish to death instead.

Umm...that's fine and dandy but dropsy pineconing don't occur OVERNIGHT!!!! Can you grasp that concept???

Cant you grasp the DONT reply to my threads? In actual fact it can happen over night and did! I watch my fish for at least half an hour a day and check them at every feed. I have found many sources that also state that it can happen over night.

 

[dogfood]

&how are all bacterias pathogens? Pathogens cause diseases. Some bacteria are good. Everyone can basically tell you that easily. Getting all "technical" and "scientific" with these words isn't going to make whatever you say right

I'm sorry but the logic is not getting through to you. If Maracyn2 treats dropsy and gram negative bacteria then that bacteria is what's causing the dropsy. If that bacteria is causing dropsy then it's a pathogen. Does that compute?

Nobody cares about stupid "good" bacteria in this scenario so why even bring it up? You want to talk about Nitrifying bacteria or something???

 

[dogfood]

It actual fact it can happen over night and did! I watch my fish for at least half an hour a day and check them at every feed. I have found many sources that also state that it can happen over night.

Please take some responsibility for your mistake and stop making up stories. If pineconing happens overnight without prior warning then why the hell are they selling Maracyn2 to treat dropsy??? Can you grasp that concept???

Why don't you just go out and buy another "prettier" one and be done with it? Why post here to cover up your negligence?

 

[Wisperian]

It actual fact it can happen over night and did! I watch my fish for at least half an hour a day and check them at every feed. I have found many sources that also state that it can happen over night.

Please take some responsibility for your mistake and stop making up stories. If pineconing happens overnight without prior warning then why the hell are they selling Maracyn2 to treat dropsy??? Can you grasp that concept???

Why don't you just go out and buy another "prettier" one and be done with it? Why post here to cover up your negligence?

Just becuase Maracyn2 has the stuff in it to fight dropsy doesn't mean it has the time/big enough of an effect to. These aren't stories. A lot of people on here notice pineconing overnight and why don't you graspt the concept that everything you say isn't right and its pointless to get all "this this bacteria is blahblah pathogen blahblah " on us when clearly, its not us who needs to grasp some concepts

 

[zoekin8yg]

You really do think you are god dont you? Why the hell would I make anything up? I dont want to buy a 'prettier' fish I would love my fish to get better but dropsy is rarely curable. Im not negligent at all. I have 6 tanks and this is the only problem I have. I research all my fish and take good care of them. Just because you think you know a little about fish doesnt mean you can preach on their upkeep. I have already asked more than once that you dont reply can you not take the hint?

 

[dogfood]

It actual fact it can happen over night and did! I watch my fish for at least half an hour a day and check them at every feed. I have found many sources that also state that it can happen over night.

Please take some responsibility for your mistake and stop making up stories. If pineconing happens overnight without prior warning then why the hell are they selling Maracyn2 to treat dropsy??? Can you grasp that concept???

Why don't you just go out and buy another "prettier" one and be done with it? Why post here to cover up your negligence?

Just becuase Maracyn2 has the stuff in it to fight dropsy doesn't mean it has the time/big enough of an effect to. These aren't stories. A lot of people on here notice pineconing overnight and why don't you graspt the concept that everything you say isn't right and its pointless to get all "this this bacteria is blahblah pathogen blahblah " on us when clearly, its not us who needs to grasp some concepts

You are just handwaving to avoid the issue. Have you used Maracyn2 to treat dropsy? If you haven't then you can't talk. All you're doing is reading some stuff on the net and accepting it as gospel without firsthand experience. Dropsy doesn't start when you see pineconing, it starts when you see the fish start to get big/round.

Negligence is negligence whether you call yourself a "fish mommy" or Volume Fish Seller.

 

[Wisperian]

It actual fact it can happen over night and did! I watch my fish for at least half an hour a day and check them at every feed. I have found many sources that also state that it can happen over night.

Please take some responsibility for your mistake and stop making up stories. If pineconing happens overnight without prior warning then why the hell are they selling Maracyn2 to treat dropsy??? Can you grasp that concept???

Why don't you just go out and buy another "prettier" one and be done with it? Why post here to cover up your negligence?

Just becuase Maracyn2 has the stuff in it to fight dropsy doesn't mean it has the time/big enough of an effect to. These aren't stories. A lot of people on here notice pineconing overnight and why don't you graspt the concept that everything you say isn't right and its pointless to get all "this this bacteria is blahblah pathogen blahblah " on us when clearly, its not us who needs to grasp some concepts

You are just handwaving to avoid the issue. Have you used Maracyn2 to treat dropsy? If you haven't then you can't talk. All you're doing is reading some stuff on the net and accepting it as gospel without firsthand experience. Dropsy doesn't start when you see pineconing, it starts when you see the fish start to get big/round.

Er. Okay. First, you tell us to accept that you're all right and mighty now, you tell us not to read things off the net and believe it without experiencing it. Excuse me but contradiction much? Getting big and round is when you feed a fish. It's not that easy to spot. If you want to take yours out and make a daily mold of it to compare it then go ahead. Everyone can find out what are signs of dropsy. We just don't notice it becuase it isn't significant

 

[liz2]

I actually clicked on the thread to see how the fish was.......yes? Not to read about people bickering, that reminds me back at school tomorrow wonder how my 4 and 5 year olds are?

 

[zoekin8yg]

It actual fact it can happen over night and did! I watch my fish for at least half an hour a day and check them at every feed. I have found many sources that also state that it can happen over night.

Please take some responsibility for your mistake and stop making up stories. If pineconing happens overnight without prior warning then why the hell are they selling Maracyn2 to treat dropsy??? Can you grasp that concept???

Why don't you just go out and buy another "prettier" one and be done with it? Why post here to cover up your negligence?

Just becuase Maracyn2 has the stuff in it to fight dropsy doesn't mean it has the time/big enough of an effect to. These aren't stories. A lot of people on here notice pineconing overnight and why don't you graspt the concept that everything you say isn't right and its pointless to get all "this this bacteria is blahblah pathogen blahblah " on us when clearly, its not us who needs to grasp some concepts

You are just handwaving to avoid the issue. Have you used Maracyn2 to treat dropsy? If you haven't then you can't talk. All you're doing is reading some stuff on the net and accepting it as gospel without firsthand experience. Dropsy doesn't start when you see pineconing, it starts when you see the fish start to get big/round.

She hadnt changed size until today. I have spoken to other people and read on this forum and others about dropsy and they have all said the same thing. Just because something claims to do something doesnt mean it does you know. Maracyn can be used as an antibacterial but if there are no symptoms, which there sometimes arent then its not going to make any difference. Its a lot harder to spot dropsy in eggy females as they are already fatter than usual. I would like to see your proof of treating dropsy and curing it.

I actually clicked on the thread to see how the fish was.......yes? Not to read about people bickering, that reminds me back at school tomorrow wonder how my 4 and 5 year olds are?

Shes not any worse at the moment luckily, sorry about the bickering it was dogfood that started it and I wont stand for being talked to like it

 

[dogfood]

Why don't we stop bickering and get to what's important? Have you treated the fish yet If not why

 

[zoekin8yg]

Why don't we stop bickering and get to what's important? Have you treated the fish yet If not why

If you had bothered to read what I have actually said you will see that I have isolated her and have ordered some anti bacterial medication. I never stated that I wasnt treating her or wasnt going to, just that I thought it would end in me having to euthanise her to stop her suffering if it got worse.

 

[Htw]

Sorry to hear about your poorly fish Zoe. All fish are individual and obviously dogfood has been very lucky not to have had a sick one. It doesn't mean you have mistreated yours. You do what you think best for your little fish.

 

[Darkmoon Bettas]

It actual fact it can happen over night and did! I watch my fish for at least half an hour a day and check them at every feed. I have found many sources that also state that it can happen over night.

Please take some responsibility for your mistake and stop making up stories. If pineconing happens overnight without prior warning then why the hell are they selling Maracyn2 to treat dropsy??? Can you grasp that concept???

Why don't you just go out and buy another "prettier" one and be done with it? Why post here to cover up your negligence?

Just becuase Maracyn2 has the stuff in it to fight dropsy doesn't mean it has the time/big enough of an effect to. These aren't stories. A lot of people on here notice pineconing overnight and why don't you graspt the concept that everything you say isn't right and its pointless to get all "this this bacteria is blahblah pathogen blahblah " on us when clearly, its not us who needs to grasp some concepts

You are just handwaving to avoid the issue. Have you used Maracyn2 to treat dropsy? If you haven't then you can't talk. All you're doing is reading some stuff on the net and accepting it as gospel without firsthand experience. Dropsy doesn't start when you see pineconing, it starts when you see the fish start to get big/round.

Negligence is negligence whether you call yourself a "fish mommy" or Volume Fish Seller.

I work at a high quality, small, locally run LFS, and unfortunately fish often come in from the transshippers/wholesalers in less than ideal states, and dropsy does pop up once in a while. We treat for any illness or injury that occours (and have nursed some really sick animals back from the brink), so yes I HAVE tried Maracyn2 to treat dropsy, in various species of fish, from bettas to koi.

By the time the disease is evident to the casual observation (the rough bloated look that preceeds true pineconing), Maracyn2 doesn't work. At all. Ever. Neither does any other preprepared medication on the market that claims to treat dropsy.

The only success I've ever had curing dropsy in even its earliest visible stages is with epsom salt baths and a heavy dose of Indian almond leaf in the water the rest of the time. The success rate is still frustratingly low, but it's lightyears better than the stuff that's sold to do the trick.

And they sell it because they can. There's not nearly the type of regulation on animal medications that there is on human ones, and a lot of pet medicines on the market don't do what they say, or they do it incorrectly or too well (for example, a couple particular brands of cut-rate cat and dog flea medications use a strong pesticide that is notorious for not only killing the fleas, but the animal being treated, and so far only one of the handful of lethal brands has been pulled from the market.) I don't trust packaging of human medicines to do what they say without doing looking into them on my own, and I trust the packaging of pet medications even less. "The package says it does" is NEVER enough proof for me.