Omg!

[Proud Texan]

my fish died im so sad cus i loved him

 

[ALEXF]

that sux. Sorry to hear that. What happened? What kind of fish, size tank, water parametieres???

 

[kribensis12]

^ what he said!

 

[ALEXF]

he sent me a private message saying he slacked on the water changes but is going to be making it a salt water tank next.

 

[kribensis12]

^ ohhhh. That isnt good. The thing is, there is no leaniance with a SW tank, you just CANT slack on the W/C

 

[ALEXF]

the kid is about 13 if i remember right and i tried to explain that. i feel bad for the fish and the parents who supply the money.... and just for the record before im attacked im not saying that all 13yr olds are immature and cant handle fish tanks. Im just thinking maybe this ones not ready for the responsibility.

 

[Mr._Fishy]

Proud Texan, I think you really should reconsider making your tank a sw tank. It is much more work to maintain than a simple fw tank. A fowlr tank isn't too hard of a tank, but you need to keep up on top offs and water changes (which you didn't do with your fw tank) and you need to keep params exact. Not to mention the costs will be much greater, both the initial start up cost and maintenance costs. A reef tank is far more complicated and costly. Thats another topic though so I won't go into that. If I were you I would just go back, look at what you did wrong, then try to learn from your mistakes instead of just pushing them behind you.

Ryan

 

[kribensis12]

the kid is about 13 if i remember right and i tried to explain that. i feel bad for the fish and the parents who supply the money.... and just for the record before im attacked im not saying that all 13yr olds are immature and cant handle fish tanks. Im just thinking maybe this ones not ready for the responsibility.

I know how it is being young and having a tank, well im 14 and i ahve a 30, 20, and 10g tank. And my parents dont supply money for them ( we dont have enough for them to give me money, they just pay for electricity) and i pay for fish, meds, and anything else they need. What i would like to know is, what exactly is her/his definition of "slacking" on the W/C's? I've forgot one week or been gone for a while, and havent had a W/C done in 3 weeks and they are still fine.

 

[freddythefish]

DONT GO INTO SALTWATER...im not having a go at you because I don't know anything about the situation but if your fresh water fish died and there is a chance (as is implied above) it was your fault then salt water will be an impossibility.
I am nearly 17 myself and just would not consider it at my age because of the amount of time and money it takes and so If they are right when they said you are 13 then I suggest that you reconsider and maybe put a lot of effort into making a good freshwater tank instead.
You don't have to have a really complicated tank to be regarded as good at fishkeeping I only have "beginner fish" (all the livebearers and some tetras) but I know that I have knowladge to a higher level than that and I can look after them with the care and attention all fish need.
basically I am just trying to help you understand that you may be trying to bight off more than you can chew!
If you want help with trying to get your tank re-going again then I will be happy to help...use the forum or even send me a personal message back and you can have my e-mail if you like.

Freddy

Just to add to this...I don't want to sound like i'm trying to start an "everyone hate proud texan" group but I looked at some of his posts and a lot of them are 1 or 2 word answers (literally half of them just say yes or no) with no explanation and he seems really "snotty" with a lot of people..I think he has issues !!!!

 

[ALEXF]

the kid is about 13 if i remember right and i tried to explain that. i feel bad for the fish and the parents who supply the money.... and just for the record before im attacked im not saying that all 13yr olds are immature and cant handle fish tanks. Im just thinking maybe this ones not ready for the responsibility.

I know how it is being young and having a tank, well im 14 and i ahve a 30, 20, and 10g tank. And my parents dont supply money for them ( we dont have enough for them to give me money, they just pay for electricity) and i pay for fish, meds, and anything else they need. What i would like to know is, what exactly is her/his definition of "slacking" on the W/C's? I've forgot one week or been gone for a while, and havent had a W/C done in 3 weeks and they are still fine.

see and that would make you responsible for your age. As far as proud texan is concerned, he also told me that he figured that once a month was enough. i have the messages in my inbox. so yea....

 

[andywg]

^ ohhhh. That isnt good. The thing is, there is no leaniance with a SW tank, you just CANT slack on the W/C

Oh really? Could have fooled me and my FO and FOWLR tanks.

DONT GO INTO SALTWATER...im not having a go at you because I don't know anything about the situation but if your fresh water fish died and there is a chance (as is implied above) it was your fault then salt water will be an impossibility.
I am nearly 17 myself and just would not consider it at my age because of the amount of time and money it takes and so If they are right when they said you are 13 then I suggest that you reconsider and maybe put a lot of effort into making a good freshwater tank instead.
You don't have to have a really complicated tank to be regarded as good at fishkeeping I only have "beginner fish" (all the livebearers and some tetras) but I know that I have knowladge to a higher level than that and I can look after them with the care and attention all fish need.
basically I am just trying to help you understand that you may be trying to bight off more than you can chew!
If you want help with trying to get your tank re-going again then I will be happy to help...use the forum or even send me a personal message back and you can have my e-mail if you like.

What is the point in telling someone who slacked on caring for fish that they shouldn't keep a tank they are interested, but instead get a more boring one they aren't interested in. If you aren't interested in a tank then you won't look after it as well as you should.

This is not a dig at the above quoted posters, but FO and FOWLR is no harder than a FW tank in both my opinion, and experience. Many of the people who tell people SW is too hard/expensive up in the FW section of the board are those who have never kept a SW tank, many of whom use those reasons either to justify why they don't do it, or to try and stop someone else doing a tank they don't think they can.

 

[shelaghfishface]

DONT GO INTO SALTWATER...im not having a go at you because I don't know anything about the situation but if your fresh water fish died and there is a chance (as is implied above) it was your fault then salt water will be an impossibility.
I am nearly 17 myself and just would not consider it at my age because of the amount of time and money it takes and so If they are right when they said you are 13 then I suggest that you reconsider and maybe put a lot of effort into making a good freshwater tank instead.
You don't have to have a really complicated tank to be regarded as good at fishkeeping I only have "beginner fish" (all the livebearers and some tetras) but I know that I have knowladge to a higher level than that and I can look after them with the care and attention all fish need.
basically I am just trying to help you understand that you may be trying to bight off more than you can chew!
If you want help with trying to get your tank re-going again then I will be happy to help...use the forum or even send me a personal message back and you can have my e-mail if you like.

Freddy

Just to add to this...I don't want to sound like i'm trying to start an "everyone hate proud texan" group but I looked at some of his posts and a lot of them are 1 or 2 word answers (literally half of them just say yes or no) with no explanation and he seems really "snotty" with a lot of people..I think he has issues !!!!

like lots of other teenagers.its an age thing,its normal, nothing to go mad at him about tho, im a mum of 3 teenage lads,i consider myself very lucky to get a grunt,nevermind a one word answer.. and if you think thats snotty listen to this...
me.. i love you.
son... i know

you gotta love `em

 

[Proud Texan]

i would like you guys to know that i do care about my fish greatly i perform strict weekly water changes then i miss 1 weeks and one of my neons died i dont think its that big of a deal alexf is a liar he says that i only do monthly changes well thats just flat out not true hes getting it confused with : "ya ur right i just thought that since its a 30 gal with 7 neons and thats it that i would only need to do monthly changes but i guess im wrong." proud texan


You guys think im just some 13 year old brat who just likes watching fish and tacking care of them for a week and then saying oh im bored i guess ill just stop cleaning the tank. or hears someone say ohh you shouldn't do that It is much more work to maintain a saltwater than a simple fw tank. and you guys expect me to say : o rly i never knew that well no im not like that im a lot smarter than you think heres my equipment list for my 75 gal FOWLR: please tell me if you see anything wrong with it.

Aqua Gloves Pair QTY: 1
Top Light Heaters 150w QTY:2
Master Liquid Test Kit Saltwater QTY:1
Mag Drive Pump 700 QTY:1
Maxi-Jet Powerhead/Pump Model 1200 (295 gph) QTY:4
Vinyl Tubing 1/2" ID Black 5' QTY:1
Installation Sets Set 2 (12/16 mm) QTY:1
Portable Refractometer 0-100 ppt salinity and 1.000-1.070 specific gravity QTY:1
Aquarium Systems Synthetic Sea Salt Instant Ocean 160 gallon mix QTY:1
Single Satellite Compact Fluorescent Fixtures 48" QTY:1
Pure-Flo II RO Units 50 gpd 3-stage QTY:1
MegaFlow Sump Filter Model 3 QTY:1
Super Skimmer Needle Wheel Protein Skimmer 125 gallon QTY:1
Hydrometer with Liquid Crystal Thermometer 1.010 to 1.030 specific gravity and 64-97°f QTY:1
Nature's Ocean Reef Sand and Reef Substrate 20 lbs QTY:5

there are somethings off the list the only one i see is that i forgot to add the mixing container.

You may say wow texan i bet you glad you have parents who can blow that kind of money! well your wrong ive been saving up for this for years and do you think that if had ANY doubt in what im doing id still just spend it all anyways? hey your right i wouldn't spend the money! Just the equipment on that list will cost 1,100$ not including aquarium or live stock.

 

[backtotropical]

FO and FOWLR is no harder than a FW tank in both my opinion, and experience. Many of the people who tell people SW is too hard/expensive up in the FW section of the board are those who have never kept a SW tank, many of whom use those reasons either to justify why they don't do it, or to try and stop someone else doing a tank they don't think they can.

Having kept both freshwater and saltwater tanks (reef and FOWLR), i must agree that saltwater can be more "difficult" and more expensive.

I agree Andy, that FO tanks may not be much harder to maintain than FW, as it is generally when you start to keep the SW inverts that things get more complicated, but even the added cost of the salt and the big increase in the cost of the livestock is enough to put many people off, and put the hobby out of the reach of many others.

I don't agree that "many of whom use those reasons either to justify why they don't do it, or to try and stop someone else doing a tank they don't think they can", but instead think that people who have not dabbled the SW side of the hobby rely on the information which is available to them, which is usually that SW is more difficult and more expensive (which in most cases is probably true), and they will give advice on that basis.

 

[andywg]

Having kept both freshwater and saltwater tanks (reef and FOWLR), i must agree that saltwater can be more "difficult" and more expensive.

Indeed it can, but then a high tech planted can also be tough and costly. Just because it has salt in the water doesn't necessarily make it harder. The challenge/expense is determined by far more than just the salinity of the water.

I agree Andy, that FO tanks may not be much harder to maintain than FW, as it is generally when you start to keep the SW inverts that things get more complicated, but even the added cost of the salt and the big increase in the cost of the livestock is enough to put many people off, and put the hobby out of the reach of many others.

Livestock and salt? Barring the potential balancing out of more expensive stock against lower stocking levels, if the cost of salt for water changes puts a tank out of reach then the owner is truly going to be on the poverty line.

I don't agree that "many of whom use those reasons either to justify why they don't do it, or to try and stop someone else doing a tank they don't think they can", but instead think that people who have not dabbled the SW side of the hobby rely on the information which is available to them, which is usually that SW is more difficult and more expensive (which in most cases is probably true), and they will give advice on that basis.

You may not agree, but that is your option. The fact remains that many people happily repeat that SW is too hard/expensive without ever having got near to setting up such a tank. Particularly, many people have problems comprehending that SW does not always equal reef.