Nitrite spike

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I have been struggling with my new tank for awhile now. I finally got the ammonia level to zero. (was very pleased with that!) Now, my nitrite level is dangerously high. It is reading at 10 ppm, the highest my test reads, and nitrates are at 40 ppm. I have a 55 gallon tank. What percentage of water change should I do? I dont want to interupt the cycling process.
I have had a few fish dye on me in the past few days. 2 angelfish and a bala shark. I think that part of the problem was that they wernt getting any food. The other fish in the tank are more aggresive than they were and got all the food.
The other fish all seem to be doing ok.
One other question. There is alot of bubbles on the surface of the water. I have 4 blue paradise guaramies and I know that they blow bubble nests. Is that what the bubbles are or is it a sign of poor water conditions?
Any advice?
 
I wouldnt worry about slowing down the cycle, The fish should be the priority right now. I would do a water change to get the nitrites down at least to half of what they are. Nitrites in high concentration are toxic. How many fish are in the tank and what type? The bubbles could be from the gouramis but i would guess that if the tank is new that they are from gases in the water and they will disipate over time.
 
I have 1 violet goby, 1 dojo loach, 8 guoramies, and 4 black fin sharks, and 6 zebera danios. Is it ok to do up to a 50% water change at this point? Should I use the gravel cleaner or just stir up the bottom to get the debris lose?
 
Unless its a bubble nest from your Gouramis or bubbles from your filter, -you should not have bubbles that stay on the surface of your water for more than a few seconds before popping.
That is sign that you water quality is low.
It could be the result of your high nitrate/nirite levels.

I would do a water change asap atleast 25%--- I would do a very light gravel cleaning (VERY light as to not kill any good bacteria growing)-to get the 25% water change.

When was the last time you cleaned gavel or did a partial water change?

How old is your tank? If this is a new tank, you may have started w/too many fishies.

Just my opinion
 
At this point, how long does it usually take with regular water changes for the tank to complete the cycle? I just did a 25% water change and it didnt affect the nitrite level too much.
 
Do water changes as big and often as need be done. You can do 50% water changes so long as the water is treated and at a similar temperature to the water in the tank. The important thing here is to gain control over those pesky nitrites.

Nitrites will often take longer then ammonia to go down, and it could still be a couple of weekss. Now that your nitrites are high it will be worth introducing some more bacteria into the tank by adding some filter media from an established tank into your own filter. This can help a lot in speeding up the process.

I don't think those fish died from starvation, it can take a fish quite a long time to die from that.
 
I have 1 violet goby, 1 dojo loach, 8 guoramies, and 4 black fin sharks, and 6 zebera danios.

plus two angels and a bala shark?

Don't mean to sound overly critical, but just for future reference, that's way too many fish for an uncycled tank - but it's a common mistake that many beginners make. Next time you'll know. The ones you lost were almost certainly due to ammonia or nitrite poisoning. :(

You're in the right place to get help, though. You'll be on the right track in no time.

Tstenbeck gave you the right advice. Right now you need to water change as necessary to dilute the toxins sufficiently to keep your fish alive. Your tank will cycle in time regardless, but if water changing slows the process down then it will just have to do so. IMHO, you could be looking at a total tank die-off before the cycle completes otherwise.

All but the most sensitive fish can actually tolerate nitrite in small quanitites fairly well for a time, but with the bioload you have your nitrite levels are going to get incredibly high (they're probably well beyond the 10 ppm where your test "tops out" already). As with most things, there are some differing opinions on how much nitrite your fish can tolerate semi-comfortably. If you were cycling under well-controlled conditions and with a small bioload, I would advise you to not even worry about it, but considering the number of fish you have we can't afford to do that. The nitrite spike will generally last two or three weeks, during which time it continues to build and build and build - and your fish may well be beyond help before the cycle completes.

My personal advice would be this:

To get the nitrite level down, do a partial water change (20% or so). After a few hours, retest for nitrite. If it's still too high, do another partial change. Wait a few hours. Retest. If necessary, partial water change. Repeat ad infinitum - testing and partial water changes spaced a few hours apart - until nitrite gets down in the 4 to 5 ppm range (many will advise you to get it down to one ppm, and you can if you choose to, but it will take a lot more work, will delay the cycle longer, and in my opinion is unnecessary - but if it makes you feel better to get it down that low, then by all means do so). It may take several water changes, but it will get there. Remember, your nitrite test tops out at 10 ppm, but the nitrite level is likely much higher. Until you get it below 10 ppm, your test will look like it's not coming down, but it is. Getting it there is the start, now you need to maintain it until the cycle completes.

Test daily for at least the next few days, and do whatever partial water change is necessary to keep nitrite in the "safe zone". If daily water changes are required (which seems pretty likely), two "half" water changes distributed through the day are better than one large one, if you are able and willing to do that - but one large one is a heck of a lot better than none. After a few days, you may be able to figure out the frequency and amount of water change necessary to keep it there, making daily water testing unnecessary (unless you want to). You will want to test every third day or so, though, so you can know when the cycle has completed, and you can stop fretting with these water changes and drop back to standard maintenance. It will have cycled successfully when three things happen.

1. Ammonia drops to zero, and stays there, AND
2. Nitrite drops to zero, and stays there, AND
3. Nitrate is present, and increases steadily.

Since you're currently in the nitrite spike phase, you can be pretty sure your cycle is finished when you get conditions 1 and 2 and they hold for a couple of days. My guess is you've still got a couple of weeks (give or take) to go before then.

Hope that helps. Best of luck!

pendragon!
 
I would try another 25% and let us know what the reading is? How long has this tank been set up?This will give the people here some more info to help you with. The length of time is completely unknown as we do not have the history of your tank. The nitrite spike can last 4-6 weeks and sometimes longer. If the tank is new doing a gravel clean will really slow things down. Also if this is a new tank try to get some gravel or filter media from an established tank this will speed up the process. You could also get a cycling agent like bio spira to help the process along. HTH :)
 

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