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[trj0b4f]

Think of the garras D=. The unhappiness that gloves would bring to them would destroy space and time D=. Must we really go there!

http/www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a8hEwNafo0&list=UUZD-6_0UCB4SHCs5arZ4Zug&index=1&feature=plcp

There are exceptions to every rule. Garras are supposed to feed on your skin.

I am quite surprised at the level of hostility that the simple idea of gloves has caused. It would prevent fish bites would it not? This may justify a thread of its own actually.

 

[snake007]

be a man, take the fish bite.
Its just a bite from a fish, it aint like a freaking pitbull.

 

[Dieses Madchen]

I do not see the point in wearing gloves for a fish when I don't even wear gloves when I play with my cat. A rubber glove isn't going to protect. I fail to see the point in your suggestion, as I doubt you would wear a glove to play with your dog or cat. IMHO a dog or cat is far messier with more of a sanitary risk than a fish.

 

[trj0b4f]

I do not see the point in wearing gloves for a fish when I don't even wear gloves when I play with my cat. A rubber glove isn't going to protect. I fail to see the point in your suggestion, as I doubt you would wear a glove to play with your dog or cat. IMHO a dog or cat is far messier with more of a sanitary risk than a fish.

It would be just as bad to wear gloves when playing with a cat as it is not to wear one when working in a fish tank.

If you completely isolate yourself from the microbial exposure you will weaken your immune system. Some people do it without knowing by using anti-bacterial soap that contains antibiotics killing the microbes around. It's also not very good idea because all you do is to weaken your own immune system. You also are culturing a super-resistant microbial life that will come back and kill you because antibiotics will not work on it any more but that another problem entirely.

However the aquarium is different. There is far more bacteria in water columns in aquarium than it is in the air or on the cat. If your skin is punctured in the open air the wound will seal in 4 minutes. You will get very little bacteria from the air so the only danger is whatever punctured the skin - that is why you are supposed to clean the wound. But in the water the wound will not seal. And the water columns will bring many microbes very quickly. And there will be dirt in the water from the gravel that you disturb when doing works in the tank. And these are usually excrements of fish etc. It's all very dirty.

And then there is the other side - your skin is far more dirty than you may think. You would have to was it with non-anticaterial soap, than was that off for quite some time. And skin doesn't like to be exposed to all that soap and water all the time. And even then you will never be sure it will be safe for your tank.

Gloves make it very easy and fast to do work in a fish tank without worrying about all that. Put them on, rinse in water, do stuff in the tank, dispose once done. It is easy and clean and safe.

And I say all that knowing that my water column is actually mostly sterile as I am using a UV sterilizer 24/7 so my only concern is only anything disturbed that sits in the gravel and haven't visited my sterilizer yet.

I suspect that now you are going to tell me that you do not run UV sterilizer, right?

 

[Mikaila31]

I certainly don't use a UV sterilizer and never will. I was picking planaria off a spawning mop the other day and feeding them to my fish. I'm almost done with my bio major and am WELL aware what organisms live in the water. Most are entirely harmless and are what I call "fry food". With the way I run tanks, if you leave one fishless it springs into a metropolis of micro-life.

Those garras are wild caught BTW... they are not suppose to feed on your skin, it just that they like to...

Most experience fish keepers here, myself included has accidentally ingested aquarium water at some point. If it doesn't hurt me if I swallow it its not gonna hurt me it if gets into a cut. I run tanks with real dirt in them too lol. I also drink water straight from some local spring fed streams. Sometimes fill up bottles right at the springs, other times we are close enough....

 

[Tolak]

trj0b4f;

I've shortened your name, as the whole name, which was an e-mail address, leads to an unsecured e-mail account. This means anyone could log in to your account, change the password, post whatever they like under your name, and so on. Your password will remain the same, you will need to use the abbreviated name to log in.

Thanks for understanding!

 

[Dieses Madchen]

I suspect that now you are going to tell me that you do not run UV sterilizer, right?

Why would I wast money on a UV sterilizer? I have been keeping fish for a good minute and have yet to find anything the would give me good reason to use one. And don't worry. My immune system is top notch.

And while I could debate the point all day that gloves are kind of silly, results of recent polls indicate that I am not the only one the feels that way. A lot of really healthy people with healthy tanks not using gloves out there....

 

[snake007]

I do not see the point in wearing gloves for a fish when I don't even wear gloves when I play with my cat. A rubber glove isn't going to protect. I fail to see the point in your suggestion, as I doubt you would wear a glove to play with your dog or cat. IMHO a dog or cat is far messier with more of a sanitary risk than a fish.

I suspect that now you are going to tell me that you do not run UV sterilizer, right?

Never ran one, never will.

 

[Lufbramatt]

haha chill out people its only a fish tank! If some people want to wear gloves thats fine, I'm perfectly happy going in without them, even though this guy:

(my 3 inch long Brevis shellie male) has a real issue with me going near his territory and always nips at my fingers check out those fangs!

 

[Mowbz]

There are exceptions to every rule. Garras are supposed to feed on your skin.

I am quite surprised at the level of hostility that the simple idea of gloves has caused. It would prevent fish bites would it not? This may justify a thread of its own actually.

Gara's are not "supposed" to feed on peoples skin, and in-fact, if you look on eBay right now, you'll find a big wealth of the leather chairs with built in fishtanks and heaters/filters up for sale for pennies, as the trade is about to be wiped out.

In what other industry would you re-use what is essentially a device for cleaning human skin, without it being cleaned? And dont give me the "well they use UV" junk, its negligble. Hence the trade is going to be stopped. Not only it is incredibly unhygenic for fish to be cycled over many peoples feet, but its been proven possible to contract all manner disgusting stuff from the person before's skin.

On the suject of gloves, why bother? As many have said, the potential thread to us and the fish is much greater each day than a hand in the tank. We got this far without bothering, why change now.

And in all likliness, those that contracted the waterbourne TB, most liely did so via cuts in the skin before placing said hand in tank.

Unless you have cuts, or very dirty fingernails, its unlikely anything will be transferred either way.

 

[steve1]

lol it's getting a bit lairy in here for reply's?

some wear gloves, some dont

 

[onidrase]

My female convict bites me when I siphon the sand or move her decorations around.

It's silly.

 

[sarah40011]

my danios 'try' to bite me, but yeah it just tickles. had a little infected cut on my thumb the other day actually. my sister was going 'yuk bet its your horrible fishes fault' anyway, soaked it in salt water, and im still alive not a fan of gloves really for anything, surely not great for the environment?

 

[trj0b4f]

trj0b4f;

I've shortened your name, as the whole name, which was an e-mail address, leads to an unsecured e-mail account. This means anyone could log in to your account, change the password, post whatever they like under your name, and so on. Your password will remain the same, you will need to use the abbreviated name to log in.

Thanks for understanding!

Thanks! In fact I wasn't going to get involved and I only created an account so that I could see the pictures in the posts and do searches (what's up with that btw?). I like to scan for new ideas as I am back to the hobby after very long break.

On a side note I am shocked that so little has changed in the last 30 years but this thread has helped me to understand the reason for the stagnation a little bit more. I find it funny how people stick to the old ways even thought science and technology gives all the tools and knowledge to move forward and make things better. Like this glove thing is very much like seatbelt in the car (in that you only wear a seatbelt if you are planning to have a crash right?). And 30 years ago few used seat belts and I also rode a motorbike without a helmet on. I would not do that today because the times has changes and we progressed. In my mind to work on the tank without gloves is so unprofessional that I don't even know what the argument is about. And UV sterilizer is not only to "sterilize" the water. Latest research shows that it also helps to keep the fish immune system in top shape as well. But that would be a hijack of the thread.

On the bright side community is very active here and reasonably civilized so I may yet try to contribute some in the future...

 

[Dieses Madchen]

I think I am going to invest in chain mail for when I feed my oscars lol. I have been handfeeding them lately, trying to get them used to hands. I just worry that they will soon associate my hands with food and always try to nip me when I go in their tank. Maybe they are smart enough to pick up on hand gestures, like a dog does.